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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Good to know.



    This issue cannot be defined in broad strokes such as that. But here's how I would be OK with an answer of "NO" to that question in regards to health care. If you do not purchase health care, and you have some sort of catastrophic illness, you may NOT, under any circumstances have any government assistance to help you pay for it. NONE. And if you have no ability to pay, no doctor/hospital is required to treat you. NONE. This will prevent costs from folks who refuse to get health care, and then beg for it when they get ill. Would you agree to this?
    That is exactly what I would like to see happen. I have no problem with people choosing not to buy health ins. as long as the Taxpayers dont have to foot the bill later. It is called personal responsibility and it is what this country is based on. It is not the Govs job tell us that we are to stupid as a people to take care of ourselves and we need them to do it for us.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    I have thus far failed to see why healthcare is bad. It will save the lives of many millions of more Americans and give them access to a healthcare system that wont burden them financially. A major right has been secured here, and a bit of socialism in the system never hurt anyone

    I say this because i have first hand experience on the benefits and convienience of a national healthcare system.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Improved access to heathcare isn't bad.

    Reform and reeling in the Health insurance companies isn't bad.

    Both have been needed for years.

    I'm glad the house finally voted in favor of this bill.

    One more step foward to a win for America and unfortuntaly in the eyes of many Repubicans it is one more step forward for yet again another defeat for their party.

    It's a fine day for America ladies and Gentlemen....

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I have thus far failed to see why healthcare is bad
    health care is good

    this bill is bad

    1. half a tril cuts to m and m

    2. mandates on individuals to pony up 1000 a month, fines if they don't, jail to follow

    3. sluffing off on states already bankrupt billions of dollars of unfunded mandates in medicaid

    4. bogus accounting---10 years of taxes, half that in benefits

    5. a house doc fix, at a quarter tril, off budget, to come later

    6. 1.4T net cost

    7. paid for by hundreds of billions in fines, mandates, penalties, taxes

    8. tax hiker, budget buster, jobs killer

    9. pelosi's piece is precisely the wrong shape for the much more centrist senate

    10. lieberman, bayh, conrad, dorgan, pryor, lincoln, landrieu...

    11. taxes on small biz

    12. taxing benefits

    13. surcharges on the rich

    14. punitives vs device makers sure to be passed on

    defend THAT
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    health care is good

    this bill is bad

    1. half a tril cuts to m and m

    2. mandates on individuals to pony up 1000 a month, fines if they don't, jail to follow

    3. sluffing off on states already bankrupt billions of dollars of unfunded mandates in medicaid

    4. bogus accounting---10 years of taxes, half that in benefits

    5. a house doc fix, at a quarter tril, off budget, to come later

    6. 1.4T net cost

    7. paid for by hundreds of billions in fines, mandates, penalties, taxes

    8. tax hiker, budget buster, jobs killer

    9. pelosi's piece is precisely the wrong shape for the much more centrist senate

    10. lieberman, bayh, conrad, dorgan, pryor, lincoln, landrieu...

    11. taxes on small biz

    12. taxing benefits

    13. surcharges on the rich

    14. punitives vs device makers sure to be passed on

    defend THAT
    Could you write that with better Grammar? I get where your going with it though.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    health care is good

    this bill is bad

    1. half a tril cuts to m and m

    2. mandates on individuals to pony up 1000 a month, fines if they don't, jail to follow

    3. sluffing off on states already bankrupt billions of dollars of unfunded mandates in medicaid

    4. bogus accounting---10 years of taxes, half that in benefits

    5. a house doc fix, at a quarter tril, off budget, to come later

    6. 1.4T net cost

    7. paid for by hundreds of billions in fines, mandates, penalties, taxes

    8. tax hiker, budget buster, jobs killer

    9. pelosi's piece is precisely the wrong shape for the much more centrist senate

    10. lieberman, bayh, conrad, dorgan, pryor, lincoln, landrieu...

    11. taxes on small biz

    12. taxing benefits

    13. surcharges on the rich

    14. punitives vs device makers sure to be passed on

    defend THAT
    Prof. how does the currently wasted $800 billion per year in current government health care system work towards the $1 trillion?

    Family Health - Elimination of $850 Billion in Health Care Waste Could Pay for Reforms | Health News

    Also, can you source the $1,000 per month? I have read about the fines and jails but can't find the dollar amount for the government option of health care.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Prof. how does the currently wasted $800 billion per year in current government health care system work towards the $1 trillion?

    Family Health - Elimination of $850 Billion in Health Care Waste Could Pay for Reforms | Health News

    Also, can you source the $1,000 per month? I have read about the fines and jails but can't find the dollar amount for the government option of health care.
    hi

    president obama has said repeatedly that he will pay for "two thirds" of his jovian ambitions by eliminating wfa (waste, fraud and abuse) in m and m

    that claim is beyond absurd since, if such massive savings could be garnered they would have been done long ago

    what, teddy kennedy was just too dumb to find what obama discovered one day under some bed in the lincoln bedroom, or something?

    the half tril cuts to m and m are there, on paper, probably not more than 100 of the 2000 pages

    but they will never come real, they will be kicked down the road just like they have been every year for a decade

    as bogus as the doc fix soon to come

    and a massive growth on the deficit

    so---dems will take the HATE from seniors who can't believe they'd be treated so by the party they largely supported after all their years of paying, saving and sacrificing

    and yet, on the other hand, it aint never gonna happen, these huge cuts to m and m

    just like the bill, no chance

    worst of all worlds

    they take the political heat without even getting passage in return

    as to the 1000 dollar figure, i don't know

    i get my health care thru my job as public school teacher in CA

    you tell me, what's the cost of insuring an individual, a young couple, a family of four or six or eight?

    if it's less than 1000, it's less than 1000

    but whatever it is, that's what pelosi last nite mandated upon every american currently uncovered

    and if you don't buy it, you're an outlaw, subject to exactly how tax cheats and criminals are ultimately treated in this country

    thanks, friend
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Prof was just warned for asking you to re-write in better grammer. Obviously the mod misunderstood my intention, it was sincere, i didnt actually understand most of your points and if you could rewrite that id be happy to answer. No insult intended, my bad if it came across that way.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Well we're ****ed, unless some of the Blue Dog Senators stick to their guns.
    Well after looking at the final vote, 54% of the House "Blue Dogs" voted with the far left liberals in the House. I think conservative citizens and the media are making too much ado about how "blue" these Democrats are - after last nights vote, they're not that blue and more like "yellow" and not the kind of yellow that hearkens back to past century's, but yellow as in "cowardly". I did a quick tally - here's the list of "blue dogs" that voted AYE

    Baron Hill (IN - 09) Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
    Heath Shuler (NC-11) Blue Dog Whip
    Mike Arcuri (NY-24)
    Joe Baca (CA-43)
    Marion Berry (AR-01)
    Sanford Bishop (GA-02)
    Leonard Boswell (IA-03)
    Dennis Cardoza (CA-18)
    Chris Carney (PA-10)
    Jim Cooper (TN-05)
    Jim Costa (CA-20)
    Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
    Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-03)
    Joe Donnelly (IN-02)
    Brad Ellsworth (IN-08)
    Jane Harman (CA-36)
    Mike Michaud (ME-02)
    Harry Mitchell (AZ-05)
    Dennis Moore (KS-03)
    Patrick Murphy (PA-08)
    Earl Pomeroy (ND)
    John Salazar (CO-03)
    Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
    Adam Schiff (CA-29)
    David Scott (GA-13)
    Zack Space (OH-18)
    Mike Thompson (CA-01)
    Charles Wilson (OH-06)

    28 out of 52 "Blue Dogs" Voted Aye - for HR 3962 "Affordable Health Care for America Act"

    54% Voted with Liberal Democrats
    I got this info by comparing the list of Blue Dogs HERE with the AYE votes found HERE. I wouldn't put much faith in Senate "Blue Dogs" at all.

    The only way to make sure is to vote these bums out. Every single one on the list above. They've sold out their constituents.

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I prefer to call it "majority vote", but yeah if it comes down to that, it will be used.

    A HC bill will be passed, have no doubts.
    Oh I hope so.... come 2010 when every Dem that can be voted out is, it can then be tossed in the dumpster where it belongs.

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