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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

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    Let me ask you something CC, when this monstrosity passes, are you going to be ok with the Government telling you that you aren't living a "healthy lifestyle" and dictating to you changes you must undertake or pay a penalty?

    Because that's where this is headed, and it's in that bill.
    Show me where it is in the bill.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Good to know.



    This issue cannot be defined in broad strokes such as that. But here's how I would be OK with an answer of "NO" to that question in regards to health care. If you do not purchase health care, and you have some sort of catastrophic illness, you may NOT, under any circumstances have any government assistance to help you pay for it. NONE. And if you have no ability to pay, no doctor/hospital is required to treat you. NONE. This will prevent costs from folks who refuse to get health care, and then beg for it when they get ill. Would you agree to this?
    Nah I'll agree to the 5 years imprisonment and quarter million dollar fine as the constitution is shredded infront of our eyes.

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Nah I'll agree to the 5 years imprisonment and quarter million dollar fine as the constitution is shredded infront of our eyes.
    So, you do not agree to my response? I would have thought you would have liked the fact that my position basically states, "if you refuse to take responsibility for yourself, don't expect the government to take responsibility for you."
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Good to know.



    This issue cannot be defined in broad strokes such as that. But here's how I would be OK with an answer of "NO" to that question in regards to health care. If you do not purchase health care, and you have some sort of catastrophic illness, you may NOT, under any circumstances have any government assistance to help you pay for it. NONE. And if you have no ability to pay, no doctor/hospital is required to treat you. NONE. This will prevent costs from folks who refuse to get health care, and then beg for it when they get ill. Would you agree to this?
    What if it's a loan? That way the government makes money in the long term, and the poor guy get's a second chance in the long term.

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    What if it's a loan? That way the government makes money in the long term, and the poor guy get's a second chance in the long term.
    No. If they were not responsible enough to either get health care or save money for their health costs, I have no faith in their ability to pay back the government. There will be a host of "reneging" on this agreement, and then guess who'll be fitting the bill? You and I, John Q. Taxpayer. No, if they do not want health care, then they need to be responsible to save for illness. This is no nanny state.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. If they were not responsible enough to either get health care or save money for their health costs, I have no faith in their ability to pay back the government. There will be a host of "reneging" on this agreement, and then guess who'll be fitting the bill? You and I, John Q. Taxpayer. No, if they do not want health care, then they need to be responsible to save for illness. This is no nanny state.
    So I take it your not open to the idea?

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    what if the person who's being mandated to buy for himself or herself can't afford it?

    this bill forces all americans not insured to go buy a product that can cost $1000 a month

    if you're a low earner the govt will help you a little, but you must still pick up the brunt of it

    this is the perverse view of universalism embodied in this legislation---buy it yourself or go to jail

    as for reconciliation, the nuclear option---it'll never happen

    when's the last time you even heard mention of it?

    the dems bring it up every once in awhile, when they hit roadblocks, then always drop it within 24 hours

    it's pure political posturing

    and for reason---reconciliation cannot accomplish 2/3 of what these bills contemplate

    reconciliation is extremely limited in what it can do

    it's by definition very temporary, and the bulk of the benefits promised in 3962 for example don't kick in til 2014

    and it lacks legitimacy, politically, it obviously indicates that the party can't pass legislation thru normal parliamentary procedure

    but, most to the point---it's extremely limited in what it can do

    it's for short term budget fixes, not permanent social reforms

    this bill has no chance in the senate

    lieberman, bayh, nelson, landrieu, lincoln, dorgan, pryor, conrad have as much as said so

    and a one vote victory in pelosi's place is gonna hurt it upstairs, not help

    if it can't get 85% of the party downstairs...

    and now the dems are on record imposing fines against the uninsured, even their imprisonment, massive cuts to m and m, the termination of medicare advantage, huge taxes on small biz and large biz and insurers and device manufacturers, the imposition of impossible mandates on already bankrupt states (difi and harry reid have both said they can't go there), etc, etc, etc

    you'll note that not a lib on this thread has defended even one of the pernicious, poisonous provisions pointed out

    harry reid himself is in such a tough spot relative to nevada---if this bill passes (according to him), it's a very bad thing for his state

    he'll lose his job

    Harry Reid: Health care bill won't work for Nevada - Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2009 | 10:36 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    but reid's objection, which is difi's, is, most revealingly, one of the relatively smaller problem this thing faces upstairs

    the biggest obstacle and most insuperable problem is jiltin joe (lieberman)

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Boy, it's hard to imagine how the democrats are feeling right now. Anything less than 230 votes in the house is DoA in the senate. They know it. The vote was so close, way too close, even more than the cap and trade bill and that's not even going to be brought up. this HC Reform is kept alive only through media hype, this bill will never reach the president's desk.

    So close, yet so far.

    You still lose. A Pyrrhic victory.

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So I take it your not open to the idea?
    Based on your description...no, I would not want to see that happen.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Let's be clear. This is not healthcare reform, this is health insurance reform. Something that is supposed to happen at the state level, not the federal level. States have all the authority to regulate the health insurance industries that do business within their borders. This is completely unnecessary. It would have been handled better, IMO, at that level. What works for NY in regards to health insurance may not work for Arizona.
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