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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    The bottom line here has not changed one iota. The entire purpose of this legislation is to establish a one payer government run health care system in the United States. If it is not overt in this legislation that should not surprise anyone. These liberal politicians lie constantly and hold the population in contempt. They plan to pass a benign and diluted down and cheap bill in the senate. They really don't care what is in it. When the bill goes to conference between the house and senate they will fill it with all the amendments that would not let it pass the 60% passage rules in the senate. As a conferenced bill it will only require a 50%+1 vote.

    The debacle here is that these elected officials are ramming this down their constituents throats who they were elected to serve during a time when the very financial survival of the country is tenuous. They are either insane or are intentionally trying to destroy our economic system. I just wish that the 2010 election cycle would hurry up and get here.
    Disregarding the rant in the first paragraph, could you actually describe how this health care bill will lead us to economic ruin? The plan will cost $894 billion, and if we have the public healthcare option, the cost will be mitigated substantially. Furthermore, if we have a tax on those who have the money to pay, then that also decreases the amount.

    The public option is, in principle, remarkably like introducing public colleges. You offer a cheap substitute to private colleges, while offering decreased quality. You obviously still have private colleges, the Ivy Leagues case-in-point, and you still have public colleges. both work in harmony, and both fulfill the requirement in the public for education.

    The health care bill will essentially be the public colleges. We will allow people to buy less comprehensive plans, with the option to differ to more comprehensive, but more expensive plans. Economically, this will defeat the monopoly that the health care companies have on their industry, and will encourage them to stop outrageous price hikes.

    While I agree that, in the very long run, this is government take-over of healthcare, but this is only if it is given that the only changes in the healthcare debate for the next fifty years will be this health car bill. Whether conservatives allow the status quo to remain unchanged for such a long period, I seriously doubt.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Disregarding the rant in the first paragraph, could you actually describe how this health care bill will lead us to economic ruin? The plan will cost $894 billion, and if we have the public healthcare option, the cost will be mitigated substantially. Furthermore, if we have a tax on those who have the money to pay, then that also decreases the amount.

    The public option is, in principle, remarkably like introducing public colleges. You offer a cheap substitute to private colleges, while offering decreased quality. You obviously still have private colleges, the Ivy Leagues case-in-point, and you still have public colleges. both work in harmony, and both fulfill the requirement in the public for education.

    The health care bill will essentially be the public colleges. We will allow people to buy less comprehensive plans, with the option to differ to more comprehensive, but more expensive plans. Economically, this will defeat the monopoly that the health care companies have on their industry, and will encourage them to stop outrageous price hikes.

    While I agree that, in the very long run, this is government take-over of healthcare, but this is only if it is given that the only changes in the healthcare debate for the next fifty years will be this health car bill. Whether conservatives allow the status quo to remain unchanged for such a long period, I seriously doubt.
    I don't know how "poor people" who can't afford the insurance premiums now are supposed to put a dent in almost $900 billion bill. I am confus.

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Got any other "sources?"
    i just gave you the post and the sf ex

    and you single out fox which cites rivkin and the cbo?

    LOL!

    you want more?

    Arena Digest: A health care mandate? - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

    barnett of georgetown and tushnet of harvard law (obama's alma mater)

    either allen or vandehei or both are on msnbc almost every morning (they're excellent---indeed, msnbc has the best morning coverage in the nation, way too early with willie geist, coffee joe's show and morning meeting with dylan ratigan)

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    it all comes down to interstate commerce, friend

    unfortunately, chuck schumer is on record a hundred times, half those on msnbc, pointing out that too many of our states have insurance markets dominated by two or fewer providers

    it's a big part of schumer's argument for pulling the trust exemption

    it's also one of the most cogent statements in favor of allowing consumers to purchase across state lines

    ironically, schumer is one of the senate's leading proponents of the most robust of public options, he, rockefeller and wyden

    grow up

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The experts disagree, bro.
    As has been pointed out, your "experts" aren't listed. I am a Life/health agent, I mm an expert, so take the mail room "experts" and their opinions and shove 'em, cause I will tell you point blank you don't know what you are talking about. Media matters, which is run by moveon.org, and the rest of your recycled talking points are more full of **** than a fertilizer factory.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Disregarding the rant in the first paragraph, could you actually describe how this health care bill will lead us to economic ruin? The plan will cost $894 billion, and if we have the public healthcare option, the cost will be mitigated substantially. Furthermore, if we have a tax on those who have the money to pay, then that also decreases the amount.

    The public option is, in principle, remarkably like introducing public colleges. You offer a cheap substitute to private colleges, while offering decreased quality. You obviously still have private colleges, the Ivy Leagues case-in-point, and you still have public colleges. both work in harmony, and both fulfill the requirement in the public for education.

    The health care bill will essentially be the public colleges. We will allow people to buy less comprehensive plans, with the option to differ to more comprehensive, but more expensive plans. Economically, this will defeat the monopoly that the health care companies have on their industry, and will encourage them to stop outrageous price hikes.

    While I agree that, in the very long run, this is government take-over of healthcare, but this is only if it is given that the only changes in the healthcare debate for the next fifty years will be this health car bill. Whether conservatives allow the status quo to remain unchanged for such a long period, I seriously doubt.
    You haven't substantiated the first claim, so please do. The second claim is the only truth I see.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The experts disagree, bro.

    Legal experts have disputed claim that the reform bill is unconstitutional. Legal scholars -- including George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr, who recently served as a special counsel to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) during Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation proceedings -- have pointed out the flaws in conservatives' arguments, including the facts that regulation of the health care sector falls under Congress' broad power to regulate interstate commerce and that Congress has repeatedly passed laws regulating health care and health insurance. Fox example, Kerr said Napolitano's op-ed was "filled with so many errors, misstatements, and plainly weak claims that the mere number of those becomes far more interesting than the argument of the op-ed itself." And assessing the whether such a mandate is constitutional, Cornell law professor Michael C. Dorf wrote that he "rejected" what he described as the "libertarian" "objection that an individual mandate would be an unprecedented burden on liberty because it would affirmatively direct conduct, rather than either forbidding conduct or imposing affirmative obligations on only those who engage in conduct that the government has the power to forbid." He added that there are substantial precedents for such affirmative obligations and even if there were not, there is no reason in principle why an affirmative duty is a greater restriction on liberty than a prohibition or condition." He also assessed the "federalism objection" to the mandate's constitutionality, writing, in part, that "the individual mandate is 'plainly adapted' to the undoubtedly legitimate end of regulating the enormous and enormously important health-care sector of the national economy. It is therefore constitutional."

    Myths and falsehoods about health care reform, continued | Media Matters for America
    I think you quoted a conservative-bro site, lib-bro. I am confused now. WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES?!

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
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    Holy shi- Did you just answer my question via Rolling Stone lyrics???


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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    As has been pointed out, your "experts" aren't listed.
    The piece I posted clearly identifies the experts, bro.

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I am a Life/health agent, I mm an expert
    I'm not sure that selling insurance makes one an expert on the Constitution.

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