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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. If they were not responsible enough to either get health care or save money for their health costs, I have no faith in their ability to pay back the government. There will be a host of "reneging" on this agreement, and then guess who'll be fitting the bill? You and I, John Q. Taxpayer. No, if they do not want health care, then they need to be responsible to save for illness. This is no nanny state.
    That's an interesting take, CC...the "take responsibility for yourself" angle. I'm reminded of a thread in this forum where the ramifications of "welfare states", i.e., social services programs and how poor (or arguably lazy people) get stuck on the system, never really taking responsibilty for their own welfare. Seems to me that health care could be viewed in a similar manner as clearly there will be some who won't get health care even if they could afford it simply because they don't want the government telling them what to do. And yet, they have no problem with their respective state government enacting laws that do the same thing.

    I know, I know...health insurance and auto insurance...two different animals. But we'd be forced to following similar standards: get insurance or be subject to a fine or jail time; and if you have an accident, not only are you responsible for paying any out of pocket expenses associated with the repairs to your own property as well as all medical costs, but that of the victim to the accident. Granted, where health insurance is concerned, the only victim is you, but the concept is the same: get insured or face consequences.

    Here's the crazy thing about this issue as I see it: most people already have health insurance. So, why worry about having to pay a fine for something that doesn't affect you? And even if you lost your job, you could always get insurance through the government. So, when you think about this rationally, the only people who'd have to worry about this fine business are those who just outright refuse to get insurance just because the government said they have to.

    I understand fully it's the principle of the matter, but seriously how many of you who post here regularly really don't have health insurance now and will not get it just because (a Democraticly held) Congress says you must?

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Now the Democrats need to try and remove those Dems who voted no by withdrawing funds for them from party coffers and running more progressive people against them.
    You mean you'd rather the feds took care of you than have to be troubled by taking responsibility for yourself.. ? Or is it that freedom is just a little too much responsibility for ya?

    ...never mind that answer is as obvious as your disdain for freedom and liberty!

    maybe SOME people are TOO stupid..

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    You mean you'd rather the feds took care of you than have to be troubled by taking responsibility for yourself.. ? Or is it that freedom is just a little too much responsibility for ya?

    ...never mind that answer is as obvious as your disdain for freedom and liberty!

    maybe SOME people are TOO stupid..
    You are aware that having a public option is not the same as socialized medicine, right? Or have you bought that talking point as well?

    You are also aware, are you not, that a majority of Doctors support the public option as well.

    My guess is you probably aren't.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    DD, can you provide any links or proof that "the majority of doctors support the public option?"

    Because baseless liberal rhetoric is worthless without substantiating proof.

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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Honoring their oaths to refuse health care for those who can't get it?
    Everyone can get health care.
    All they need is the $ to pay for it.
    Making sure they have health care absent that $?
    That's not the government's job.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are aware that having a public option is not the same as socialized medicine, right? Or have you bought that talking point as well?
    That is incorrect, the bill is structured in a way that would erode private insurance rolls, because any changes to contract would force people to take the government "option", also, the tax implications for not having government approved plans that have prison time attached for said lack of health coverage. It's not an "option" it's pretty much mandatory, that is socialized healthcare, no matter what your current democrat hands you in the way of talking points. The facts are against your claims.

    You are also aware, are you not, that a majority of Doctors support the public option as well.
    That is complete bull****. But again, whenever you tow the party line, you risk taking a false position.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Happy post health care bill Monday, Comrades!
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    The Senate is kicking the POS out of the ballpark.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    DD, can you provide any links or proof that "the majority of doctors support the public option?"

    Because baseless liberal rhetoric is worthless without substantiating proof.
    Poll: Majority Of Doctors Support Public Option

    You guys really should start paying attention at some point.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    He may not, but I will. When an industry is nationalized in a capitalist political economy, who owns the means of production?
    As you know, it's not about ownership, it's about control. If one controls the means of production, ownership is inherent.

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