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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I am European, and i know what you say is largerly dishonest. Especially the crap about 7-8 year waiting lists.
    Ive heard of cases where people have died on the waiting list, sure; but that happened under unforseeable medical circumstances, or they died waiting for a heart which was yet unavailible. Hell, there even harder to come by in private hospitals.



    That translation was aweful. Find me English references if you want to, so i can be sure of its legitemacy too.



    Ive had surgery under the national health care system. It took me 4 months to recieve my treatment but i got it at the expense of no bills whatsoever. And my treatment wasnt in anyway related with my health. My grandpa who had a hole in his stomach got fixed with a camera which monitored the hole and recieved weekly top ups of blood. He recieved affordable medication to control the blood loss and 5 to 6 months in recieved the surgery to close the hole. He had a few months of monitoring after that (on and off appointments) and now he is fine. He is a retired man and doesnt have all the money in the world. It suits him just great and i know many other elderly Americans and young people who cannot afford the treatment will be grateful for the healthcare.



    Its very rare, and even then, under medically unforeseeable circumstances. And in the NHS, if they feel they will not be able to obtain the neccessary resources to carry out your surgery, they will transfer you to another UHC hospital that can, or recommend you to a private facility.



    Rimmer, most of your points are based on unfounded, sourceless fear mongering propaganda by the GOP.
    Intesting this Euroapologist with the logo he has at the bottom of each post. You have zero credibility my friend, zero.
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    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

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    !!!

    that's one of my favorite jokes from the 80's

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    he comes back hours later, his comrade still in the same place

    vlad: did you do it, did you shoot him?

    ivan: nah, the line there was even longer
    Just read this one...
    The old joke ran that the best way to increase the value of a Skoda, made in the old Czechoslovakia, was to fill up the petrol tank.

    Sounds like where GM is heading.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Intesting this Euroapologist with the logo he has at the bottom of each post. You have zero credibility my friend, zero.
    My signature shows the true nature of the EU for what it is. Why that would make me any less European or any less credible in the face of national health care is beyond me?
    How the hell does support for UHC and its obvious successes in Canada and Europe make me a euroapologist?
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    My signature shows the true nature of the EU for what it is. Why that would make me any less European or any less credible in the face of national health care is beyond me?
    How the hell does support for UHC and its obvious successes in Canada and Europe make me a euroapologist?
    He's mad because you proved him wrong since you have personal experience and he does not.

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    1. You aren't too swift are you? If you do not believe the translation, run it through the translator yourself.
    I do believe it. Legitemacy as in more than one source would be good, something you have thus far been unable to provide. An English text for starters would be bloody great.

    3. It is not that difficult to understand. But I see you just have comprehension difficulties.
    Find me an English source and ill refute every evidence you can try and gather against UHC and its successes outside of the US, with my comprehension difficulties.

    4. I never specified wait lists, but they are years long, not days.
    They are at most a year or two long depending on what you are on the list for (an organ transplant is typical of a year or so on the UHC, but is it any different in the private sector)? For anything else, like life saving surgery, you'll never usually be asked to wait more than a few months. And if you are in really bad condition you will be prioritized and seen to within weeks if the affordable medication they can provide in the meantime is enough to sustain you.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Because healthcare is a neccessity and a right that is more often than not unaffordable.
    Okay, then create public health care for the poor. Oh wait, we already have that. It's called Medicaid.

    Food, clothes, and shelter are necessities too. Nobody is suggesting that we socialize those though.

    Again: why should the health care industry be socialized if other industries shouldn't be socialized?

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Which is why some people have the option to go private. I have never heard of such extreme cases whereby somebody has to wait up to 7 to 8 years for treatment, i have heard about 2 years at most, an extreme scenario, and she was not living in constant agony either. Where did you here that?
    Here's a few cursory links:

    3 year wait for Jaw implant

    6 year wait for a knee

    Children wait up to 7 years for dental surgery

    Dunno, but even 3 years is an insane amount of time to wait - 6 and 7 years - I wouldn't be able to take it.


    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    That is how it works in all of the countries i have been to with a UHC. You need to remember it isnt one big hospital. Its many hospitals belonging to the UHC in your local area/state. If you are in extreme pain they will prioritize and move you to the top of the list, if the affordable medication they provide you in the mean time does not suffice to ease your pain. Unless your federal government intends to kill of its citizens and get itself sued left and right, believe me, they wont have any other choice but to prioritize.
    Who makes the prioritization decision on who goes ahead of whom at these UHC hospitals? Going back to my example, if you're in extreme pain and they re-prioritize, does that mean 5 years goes down to 2 years?


    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The NHS kills? Do you have a link?
    Sentenced to death on the NHS - Telegraph

    This one is not as blatant but shows there are serious issues with the NHS system.

    Deaths from hospital blunders soar 60% in two years as NHS staff 'abandon quality of care to chase targets' | Mail Online


    The last thing I would want it this type of care in the U.S. Right now, I can get elective surgery as soon as my doctor thinks I am ready - that may be a week or that may be 3 months. I can get blood work, CAT, MRI and any other type of scans at any time - 7 days a week and I have gotten them the very next day after a Dr.'s visit. No waiting... walk in, I'm done in 45 minutes.

    Now I'll have to schedule this to occur in "months" and then results may show I have "years" to wait for a procedure, and then I may not be viewed as "in enough pain" by a bureaucrat, so I'll need to suffer until they're ready... and now that my work may be affected, I may not have enough money to change to a private insurance company who can take me now. Gee, this sounds great...

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

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    I said torte!
    Where I come from torte is cake. But then again, this type of torte will most likely be banned as being too fatty and high in calories to stay legal in the future.

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Despite the best efforts of the "Party of No minus one"....The American people are going to get real healthcare reform. The Party of No did their best to represent the interests of their Insurance Company CEO buddies...but in the end the American people are going to end up victorious in this battle.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    15% of dems---IN THE HOUSE (LOL!)---comprise a pretty sizeable coalition of no all by themselves

    lieberman on fns was asked 4 question by chris wallace (son of 60 minutes' mike) about fort hood

    jiltin joe's responses were very interesting, and they have been covered already by the msm

    this most israel-loyal voice in washington spoke today the toughest words so far concerning hasan and his relationship with the US army

    but even more revealing was wallace's last question about health care and the former dem veep nominee's answer:

    wallace---will you join a republican filibuster if a PO and taxes on cadillac benefits are included in the bill?

    jiltin joe---there's some good things in the house bill and i believe we need to reform health care; there are two major problems---the unsustainability of the current system and millions of americans left uncovered; but i'm afraid my colleagues in the house added a lot of things to the bill that subract from the genuine purposes of health care, put forward by people who i really believe want a govt takeover of medicine; but there's a bigger problem facing us even than medical costs, and that's debt, 12 trillion now, 21 trillion in 10 years; "if the public option plan is in there i will, as a matter of conscience, not allow this bill to come to a final vote"

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