Page 12 of 23 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 227

Thread: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

  1. #111
    Sage
    kaya'08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    British Turk
    Last Seen
    05-12-14 @ 01:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,363

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    Great, now tell me why it is socialist when nationalization results in both the proletariat and the bourgeoisie owning the means of production?
    Thats a good point.
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
    > Good to be back, but I'm only visiting for a few weeks. <

  2. #112
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,277

    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Now the Democrats need to try and remove those Dems who voted no by withdrawing funds for them from party coffers and running more progressive people against them.
    I think the Democratic and Communist Parties should merge.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  3. #113
    Educating the Ignorant
    zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:20 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    14,419
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Could you name a few ineffective, untimely socialist medical systems?
    LOL
    Canada, Germany, Finland, Sweden, England, France, Italy... and on and on...

    ... I know... I've lived half my life in the EU, and most of the countries listed, and you can add a few more... Lived... not visited.

    Chew on the following for a while... and remember, the Germans are known for making things work... LOL

    google translator... I don't have the time...
    Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“
    (Which patient is going to go empty handed?)
    Eckhard Nagel transplant surgeon from the National Ethics Council explains the need to ration medical care

    FOCUS: German health politicians will assert that full coverage of the population would remain with the forefront of medicine. In contrast, the National Ethics Council now proposes a new public debate about rationing. Is this really necessary?

    Nagel: Announcements, for each treatment was at all times hochleistungsmedizinische feasible, I think is a dangerous suppression of reality. Rationing is part of everyday life in medicine and will increase in future (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: in socialist systems). Even today, patients have to wait for important operations, because such are not enough seats for its intensive care are available. Also needs to be decided in transplantation medicine, which patient receives a saving institution and which no seats, and possibly died on the waiting list. This dilemma is considered too little.

    FOCUS: Why has not held a public discussion about rationing?

    Nagel: The allocation of limited health goods from cost factors is an extremely sensitive issue on which our society is ill prepared. Politicians have made the experience that she had rather inconvenient truth. Otherwise they run the risk of being punished as a bearer of bad news - for example at the ballot box. Despite everything, I believe it is their duty to clearly identify the problem situation, even if there is no easy way out of it visible.

    FOCUS: Can we avoid the limited allocation, as we raise more money for the health system?

    Nails: At the moment already. However, medical progress has no foreseeable limits. We are made in each case to the question of what we can afford. Is it even possible to provide all health goods as before to after the of equality? Or should the treatment after the budget of the patient, his age or his social embeddedness judge? Must pay an injured his therapy out of pocket if he caused the accident itself? Such scenarios have to respond, and that takes is an ethical debate.

    FOCUS: Should 85-year-old fear that they will receive an artificial hip or heart valve?

    Nagel: I think so. But of course, decisions on ethical dilemmas remain conflict is not enough. We must strive just to the best of all strategies. This decision process needs to be maximized transparent (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: ROTFLMFAO). Only then will the people get the feeling that they are involved in the deliberations, even if they do not approve of (ZIMMER PERSONAL NOTE: ROTFLMFAO... THEY CANNOT COMPLAIN WHEN THEY ARE DEAD).

    FOCUS: What do you fear, when politicians and citizens continue to ignore that rationing has to be?

    Nagel: This can have fatal consequences, in which the patient - and we all suffer - unnecessarily sometime. As will be discussed today about the cost of health only in the short term and with slogans, emotional statement to the situation. This is an unfortunate way to kick start the discussion, because it causes anxiety. Citizens feel existentially delivered.

    Eckhard Nagel, 46, a health scientist of the University of Bayreuth.

    The Augsburg surgeon was appointed in 2001 in the National Ethics Council.

    Medizin: „Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“ - News - FOCUS Online
    Like I said... enjoy it suckers. Government is the only place you NEVER get what you paid for. You get half as much, if lucky, and it costs twice the free market, AND it's slow... so slow it might be fatal in this instance.

    Enjoy.
    (I would put a smiley-face ass-****ing another smiley-face (in pain), but that set doesn't exist in our collection).
    Last edited by zimmer; 11-08-09 at 06:10 PM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

  4. #114
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    wait times are such a problem above the 49th, the provinces and central govt in ottawa have been forced to address them

    the federal and provincial "Ten Year Plan to Strengthen Health Care" has, however, not been real effective

    surf around within the links contained in the following, put up by the govt to allay the POLITICAL concerns of canadians concerning their coverage and care:

    Canadian Wait Times Alliance Urges Speed in Reducing Health Care Wait Times in Canada

  5. #115
    Educating the Ignorant
    zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:20 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    14,419
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the Democratic and Communist Parties should merge.
    They have... most just don't know it.
    Now known as The SAPs. Socialists of America Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    wait times are such a problem above the 49th, the provinces and central govt in ottawa have been forced to address them

    the federal and provincial "Ten Year Plan to Strengthen Health Care" has, however, not been real effective

    surf around within the links contained in the following, put up by the govt to allay the POLITICAL concerns of canadians concerning their coverage and care:

    Canadian Wait Times Alliance Urges Speed in Reducing Health Care Wait Times in Canada
    The Quebec SC ruled a while back that waiting lists do not constitute health care. It's a mess. A friend of 4 decades got rear ended... has big time back probs, and 2-years after the smack-up... has just been SCHEDULED for an MRI.

    SCHEDULED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reminds me of the joke about the Comm who gets a Lada in the good ol USSR.
    At the end of the interview process he's TOLD the car will be here for pickup in 10-years... the guys asks... morning or evening... the KGB salesman says.. WHAT! It's in 10-years... the guy responds... I know, but the plumber is coming that morning!

    .
    Last edited by zimmer; 11-08-09 at 06:17 PM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

  6. #116
    Sage
    kaya'08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    British Turk
    Last Seen
    05-12-14 @ 01:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,363

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL
    Canada, Germany, Finland, Sweden, England, France, Italy... and on and on...

    ... I know... I've lived half my life in the EU, and most of the countries listed, and you can add a few more... Lived... not visited.

    Chew on the following for a while... and remember, the Germans are known for making things work... LOL
    I am European, and i know what you say is largerly dishonest. Especially the crap about 7-8 year waiting lists.
    Ive heard of cases where people have died on the waiting list, sure; but that happened under unforseeable medical circumstances, or they died waiting for a heart which was yet unavailible. Hell, there even harder to come by in private hospitals.

    Medizin: „Welcher Patient geht leer aus?“ - News - FOCUS Online
    google translator... I don't have the time...
    That translation was aweful. Find me English references if you want to, so i can be sure of its legitemacy too.

    Like I said... enjoy it suckers. Government is the only place you NEVER get what you paid for.
    Ive had surgery under the national health care system. It took me 4 months to recieve my treatment but i got it at the expense of no bills whatsoever. And my treatment wasnt in anyway related with my health. My grandpa who had a hole in his stomach got fixed with a camera which monitored the hole and recieved weekly top ups of blood. He recieved affordable medication to control the blood loss and 5 to 6 months in recieved the surgery to close the hole. He had a few months of monitoring after that (on and off appointments) and now he is fine. He is a retired man and doesnt have all the money in the world. It suits him just great and i know many other elderly Americans and young people who cannot afford the treatment will be grateful for the healthcare.

    You get half as much, if lucky, and it costs twice the free market, AND it's slow... so slow it might be fatal in this instance.
    Its very rare, and even then, under medically unforeseeable circumstances. And in the NHS, if they feel they will not be able to obtain the neccessary resources to carry out your surgery, they will transfer you to another UHC hospital that can, or recommend you to a private facility.

    Enjoy.
    (I would put a smiley-face ass-****ing another smiley-face (in pain), but that set doesn't exist in our collection).
    Rimmer, most of your points are based on unfounded, sourceless fear mongering propaganda by the GOP.
    Last edited by kaya'08; 11-08-09 at 06:20 PM.
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
    > Good to be back, but I'm only visiting for a few weeks. <

  7. #117
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    the "brain drain" or doctor shortage is another hot political button up north the last 10 years or more

    here's the cbc's recent take:

    CBC News - Health - Lack of science funding risks brain drain, CMAJ editorial warns

    the third issue the provinces and ottawa have been forced to "deal with" to the tune of billions of dollars canadian is the compensation of those forced to emigrate south to secure services promised, paid for and denied in maple leaf land

    i'll let you do the googling this time

  8. #118
    Educating the Ignorant
    zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:20 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    14,419
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I am European, and i know what you say is largerly dishonest. Especially the crap about 7-8 year waiting lists.
    Ive heard of cases where people have died on the waiting list, sure; but that happened under unforseeable medical circumstances, or they died waiting for a heart which was yet unavailible. Hell, there even harder to come by in private hospitals.



    That translation was aweful. Find me English references if you want to, so i can be sure of its legitemacy too.
    1. You aren't too swift are you? If you do not believe the translation, run it through the translator yourself.

    2. Legitmacy? The guy interviewed is a Surgeon on the GERMAN ETHICS BOARD.

    3. It is not that difficult to understand. But I see you just have comprehension difficulties.

    4. I never specified wait lists, but they are years long, not days.

    5. And calling me "Rimmer". That dear friend is VERY THIN ICE.

    Typical arrogant and ignorant European.

    Double spaced for ease of reading... so you don't get confused.

    .
    Last edited by zimmer; 11-08-09 at 06:28 PM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

  9. #119
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House approves landmark healthcare reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Reminds me of the joke about the Comm who gets a Lada in the good ol USSR.
    At the end of the interview process he's TOLD the car will be here for pickup in 10-years... the guys asks... morning or evening... the KGB salesman says.. WHAT! It's in 10-years... the guy responds... I know, but the plumber is coming that morning!
    !!!

    that's one of my favorite jokes from the 80's

    here's another:

    2 comrades waiting in long line to buy vodka

    ivan: i can't take it anymore, i'm gonna go shoot that gorbachev

    he comes back hours later, his comrade still in the same place

    vlad: did you do it, did you shoot him?

    ivan: nah, the line there was even longer

  10. #120
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    british women denied expensive breast cancer drug

    British Clinic Is Allowed to Deny Medicine - New York Times

Page 12 of 23 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •