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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    as far as obamacare driving privates out of business

    which, it aint gonna happen, anyway, obamacare

    what part of 41 don't you understand?

    lieberman and his friends have told you

    the only way it can possibly pass is if lieberman is lying or changes his position

    do you know lieberman?

    but, as to the bill killing privates:

    i don't think any of us really knows

    worse, i'm not sure pelosi or obama knows

    i know the media don't

    but, knowing obama's aggressive, comprehensive extremism, i sure can see him trying

    and what we do most certainly know (it's been talked about a lot)---

    the fine on businesses who currently offer benefits (which is where most of us get our coverage) is a lot less than the cost of insuring employees

    it leads anyone thinking for themselves to suspect that employers might be incentivized to drop their workers, pay the fine, give the employees some portion of what used to paid on their behalf, and let em go shopping

    it DOES look that way

    Health plan penalty would save money for most firms - The Business Journal of Milwaukee:

    also, of course, the govt SETS prices and costs, presumably, in the PO

    you've probably heard the gigantic controversy about rates paid to doctors

    it's what totally underlay the doc fix bill which lost on the full senate floor, 47 to 53

    'Doc Fix' Fails in Senate, 47-53 - The Note

    (you see, there you go---you are fully sophisticated to READ what that means, reid's doc fix bill failing on the full floor, short of FIFTY---the reid bill has no chance upstairs)

    the left wants docs paid in accord to medicare rates

    in the house, they were a little more realistic, medicare plus 5 (percent)

    but ruralists like kent conrad (the most vocal leader of this centrist wing) maintain such CHEAP compensation of doctors will kill service in their states

    conrad has said many, many times, medicare scheduling of doctors pay will close every hospital in north dakota

    others, many others, have raised the same serious, potentially (they say) bill-killing objection

    the point---obamacare does look to underprice private competition
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    as for the doc fix, it's gonna be put on the carpet in pelosi's place, as you probably know

    which should (and secretly does) outrage every member of this forum, from the most wingnut to the whackiest

    1/4T---OFF BUDGET---cynically sliced off obamacare, accounted against the general fund, instead, ie, the deficit

    that is, this quarter tril bribe to labcoats is considered NOT part of comprehensive health care

    if things weren't so serious, a roaring LOL! would be in order

    it also outrages us all, i presume (cuz i know it pisses off the parliamentarians on the left side of the aisle), that all this necromancy has been conducted in the locked closet of the speaker

    not debated in the open, not the products of the separate committee

    but cabaled together in some quiet, exclusive company

    WE are not allowed in

    you've got to understand how much folks like kent conrad and bill nelson---their jobs on the line---resent the hell out of such outsider treatment, the spots they're being put in by this supremely arrogant leadership

    oh well
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    what part of 41 don't you understand?

    lieberman and his friends have told you

    the only way it can possibly pass is if lieberman is lying or changes his position

    do you know lieberman?


    Ahhh, Prof, it will pass. I've told you this. You said there weren't the votes in the House, I assured you there were. You are counting on the Senate, but it will pass there, too. You don't think Lieberman hasn't changed his mind in the past, do you? He has advocated diametrically different positions on just the use of the filibuster. Of course he lies, of course he changes his mind.

    It will pass. Hang on to ur britches, friend!

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    He may not, but I will. When an industry is nationalized in a capitalist political economy, who owns the means of production?
    Of course its Socialist. But who has ever heard of pure Capitalism? I for one havent.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    tell it to the unlucky 13 who killed the doc fix, jackie, my friend

    bayh, conrad, wyden, BILL nelson, feingold, mccaskill, tester, kohl, whitehouse, bobby kkk byrd, jiltin joe and virginians warner and combat boots webb

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Of course its Socialist. But who has ever heard of pure Capitalism? I for one havent.
    Great, now tell me why it is socialist when nationalization results in both the proletariat and the bourgeoisie owning the means of production?
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Of course its Socialist. But who has ever heard of pure Capitalism? I for one havent.
    So what about health care makes it so different from every other industry that you advocate socializing health care without advocating socializing every other industry?

    I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to this.

    Nobody is advocating socialized food, or socialized clothes, or socialized anything else. So why health care?

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    i've still to see a single liberal DEFEND one of the 16 pernicious provisions contained in obamacare

    1. half a T cuts to m and m

    2. mandates on individuals to buy that which they can't afford, fines if they don't, jail at the end

    3. unfunded mandates on already bankrupt states, talk to difi and harry

    EDITORIAL: The mother of unfunded mandates - Washington Times

    4. dem governors ritter, gregoire, schweitzer and bill richardson have joined TN's phil bredesen as violent, vehement, vocal objectors to this forcing the states to underwrite hundreds of B's of obama's fantasies

    5. ten years of taxes vs 6 or 7 years of bennies

    6. the doc fixes

    7. 1.4T, including the "fix"

    8. how it's paid for---massive taxes, penalties, fines, mandates

    9. the dire differences between house and senate creations

    10. taxes on small biz and big biz, jobs killer

    11. the fact that the cuts to m and m, huge part of how obama "pays for" crap, will never occur, destroying the deficit

    12. taxes on the rich---dead letter in the senate

    13. taxes on benefits---anathema to unions

    14. taxes on insurers, manufacturers, pharmaceuticals

    15. the incentive for employers to dump coverage

    16. the crafting of all this in secret, dumped on membership and the public always at the last second

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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    This bill is clearly unconstitutional. Imagine sending people to jail for not buying insurance!! The Soviet Union has been resurrected right here in the United States. Pelosi is a disgrace and Obama is worse. Both socialists if not outright communists. The gulags and firing squads can't be far behind.
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    Re: House majority votes in favor Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So what about health care makes it so different from every other industry that you advocate socializing health care without advocating socializing every other industry?

    I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to this.

    Nobody is advocating socialized food, or socialized clothes, or socialized anything else. So why health care?
    Because healthcare is a neccessity and a right that is more often than not unaffordable.
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