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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I hope that was a joke.
    Yes, it's Sarcasm.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    It was probably not the best example; religious minorities are certainly excluded from political power in Iran but in the sense that you can practice your religion without interference (e.g by going to a church or a synagogue) I would say they have a degree of religious freedom. I find it interesting you mention Arab states given that

    1 the presidents of Syria and Lebanon are both Christian. In Lebanon in particular it’s historically been the Christians who have enjoyed disproportionate influence
    For one thing Lebanon is not an Islamic Republic nor does it have Islam as a state sponsored relgion so your example doesn't even fall under the criteria laid out.

    That again doesn't take away from the larger point that the vast number of state sponsored Islamic countries do not practice religious freedom.

    2 Many of the more conservative Arab states are being continuously armed to the teeth by the west e.g Saudi Arabia.
    Again, how does that take away from the previous point?

    As regards the last point you should bear in mind the situation of non Buddhist groups in Burma. But I’m not saying there is no problem at all with religious freedom in many Muslim countries. What I’m saying is

    1 That this is far less universal then it’s made out to be
    I compeletly disagree. There is far more universal thought than is reported.

    2 That its inaccurate to simplify this as a "west good, Muslim world bad" issue when we’re supporting a lot of the regimes that are doing this. The British and French could have handed over their mandates to pluralist democratic governments but instead they choose to do hand power to corrupt monarchies. We can’t attribute all the Middle East’s problems to Islam
    No one is saying bad vs good. This is fact vs fiction. The facts are Islamic Republics and state sponsored Islamic states have a far greater restriction on religious freedom than Western States or many Asian and African states for that matter.

    We cannot simply ignore the truth that Islam not only attacks freedom of religion in its teachings and laws but also its incredible justification of violence and resistance to any other religion than its own far greater than any other major religion.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
    Ya, sorry... but when the local newspaper reports that he was reported dead for two hours before confirming that he was wounded... While it is possible that he was an extremist, I would put my life savings on a wager that he was on a seratonin reuptake inhibitor (Like Ritalin, Prozac, etc)...

    I don't know what really happened, but I've seen reports in which there were 3 shooters arrested, among other conflicting reports... so, this whole event smells funny.

    There's also an outward chance that this guy might have been a victim of 'mk-ultra' (which, in spite of being a declassified program will still be called 'conspiracy theory'),which if this was the case brings up the chance that this is a literal false-flag operation, or it could simply have been another prozac / Ritalin related freakout also... I don't know and I don't think the information to prove one way or the other will ever be released.

    Also, if this guy was really 'anti-war', wouldn't he have been booted from the millitary a long time before his rank?? Also, if a person in the army answers no, would you want a person in battle next to you that doesn't even agree with war and might hesitate to kill someone?
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No I think I'll blame Islamism and the global jihad, this is just one incident in a concerted global initiative of Islamist Imperialist Expansionism through offensive jihad.
    And what have these imperialists captured so far? How have they expanded?

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    You have to be American to see it that way.
    No you have to be a narow minded, paranoid American to see it that way. "The Jihadis are coming."

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    No you have to be a narow minded, paranoid American to see it that way. "The Jihadis are coming."
    Or a British citizen whose nearby neighborhood is now ruled over by Shariah law.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Both of which perpetrated numerous acts of war against the U.S.. You seem to forget that this was a response to Islamist Imperialist Expansionism and aggression.
    OK Wing nut kindly tell us how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with your favorite phrase IEI? Saddam was no religious dictator, and his expansion days were over after Kuwait. The Taliban had no desire to expand in 2001, and ALQ were a few hundred Arabs, who were dangerous to the west but in no way capable of expanding into anywhere.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
    Muslims should get laid

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

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    Muslims should get laid
    They're so angsty.

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