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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Until Muslim countries allow freedom of religion within their borders, they do not deserve any slack from the free world...
    Well a great deal of them already do (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Iran etc.) and we happen to be arming a great deal of the regimes that dont. (saudi arabia and the like). So the balls as much in our court as it is in theres.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
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    I'm not one to criticize our military efforts, but... really? No one could hear the Time-Bomb's ticking in the room?
    Sure they heard if but its a PC thing...........They did not want to offend Islamic Arabs in the atmy by making and issue what he said and did..........
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well a great deal of them already do (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Iran etc.) and we happen to be arming a great deal of the regimes that dont. (saudi arabia and the like). So the balls as much in our court as it is in theres.

    That's a small faction of Muslims countries that do, kudos to them, however I'm more worried about Muslims in Free-Religion countries that are trying to elbow their way in.

    also,

    Their court. The ball is in their court, Dave.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's a small faction of Muslims countries that do, kudos to them, however I'm more worried about Muslims in Free-Religion countries that are trying to elbow their way in.

    also,

    Their court. The ball is in their court, Dave.

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    I would prove read my posts more carefuly if the responces i got had more to do with what i actually wrote

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I would prove read my posts more carefuly if the responces i got had more to do with what i actually wrote
    1. I did respond to your post

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    I would proof read my posts more carefully if the responses I received had more to do with what I actually wrote.


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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's a small faction of Muslims countries that do, kudos to them, however I'm more worried about Muslims in Free-Religion countries that are trying to elbow their way in.

    also,

    Their court. The ball is in their court, Dave.

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    I meant to say FRACTION.


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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You mean like his internet postings?
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    These statements are backed up by multiple sources, and the mans own internet postings.
    And if you'd bothered to pay attention, you'd know that the reason the FBI didn't do anything about those postings when they first saw them is because they didn't know if they were posted by this guy. Believe it or not, there is more than one Nidal Hasan in the world. If it turns out that this was the guy, which seems likely, then we'll have more information to go on. I'm going to wait until we know that for sure.

    And this isn't hearsay, the man isn't saying that he heard from someone that he said this, he said he heard him say this, that is eyewitness testimony not hearsay evidence.
    Reread the guy's claims. Much of it is hearsay and that that isn't seems a little strange. Again, I ask a relatively simple question:

    If someone in the army was saying that muslims should rise up and kill americans, and that he wanted people to strap on bombs and go to times square, and that he was giddy about US soldiers being killed, don't you think someone would have mentioned this before this incident?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    If Madoff had fleeced non-Jews (instead of mainly Jews) because they were non-Jews (and it was a national/intl problem and part of His Scripture, and Professed "Scam to the Goyim").. it also WOULD have wider implications about the Jewish population of this country.
    Please explain how Madoff's actions in your hypothetical "would have wider implications about the Jewish population of this country."

    This should be interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Says the guy named "Kandahar" and with a self selected moniker of "enemy combatant." Folks pay attention here and from here forward! Now that this FAKIR is on my radar, I promise you a real good show from here on out. I can virtually guarantee you all the kinetic energy related will be supplied from one direction! The static energy, the moribund energy? It will be from the same direction of the plausible denial, the affected insult and the densely "shocked" that you would take it "that way" mindset.

    I can only surmise it is command of basic grammar and his "flim flam" approach that has befuldeled so many "net-citizens" thus far. Chuckle.

    To clue you in, it is precisely 4:13 AM on November 7th in the year 2009. The same kid who panhandles as an "enemy combatant" named "Kandahar" while also playing at impartial, unbiased and the (based on my three and one half years observation) supposed paragon of rationality, is in fact quite opposite. Sure I could supply plenty of examples over the years to illustrate exactly and with detail, what I am talking about. But why not just start from scratch?

    "Does it really matter if this guy was a jihadist?"

    Well of course it does? Tell us, do you "intellectually" think otherwise? Oh please do!

    Do you seriously mean to ask on the WWW, what the term "jihadist" means? Let me guess, you also want people to think of you as an at least moderately intelligent human being? Really DO let us know.

    You are breathing and have a heart beat, so does it really mean you have something of even minor importance to contribute, one way or another on something approaching a "thoughtful" level regarding this topic? If you decide to shed that heavy coat of self imposed ignorance I'm still not certain you will have luck finding anyone interested in your spin on policy implications. Not kidding, feel free to poll this matter, with my name attached and the offer for you to "humiliate" me by vote as an option.


    Naturally....................and so thoughtful of you. Chuckle. God what a charlatan poser. I find it ironic that the so called "unbiased press" did not find it necessary to state Nidal was Islamic until the pictures of him, taken a hour or two prior to the massacre, were posted online. Somehow me thinks had be been "Christian" this would not be the case and would be the lead on the story.
    Good point. Keep us posted on the interplay between the kinetic and static energies.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Perhaps we can take a chapter out of the book:

    Dealing With Muslims

    Chapter 1: The Crusades

    Christians got it right the first time.

    The End.
    I hope that was a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Did we occupy them before 9/11?
    Do Muslim states that turn a blind eye to the terrorists operating from within their borders get a free pass?
    Did they occupy us after 9/11?

    How about non-Muslim states that "turn a blind eye", as if a Muslim state has the correct number of eyes to monitor everything that is going on within their borders, aren't they at fault too?

    CIA knew that there were muslims within our border getting organized and they did not inform the F.B.I in time to prevent 9/11.

    Some of them were going in and out of Western societies for education purposes, should we also condemn Arizona University and Hamburg Tech. and all the others that "turn a blind eye".

    You have unrealistic expectations for intelligence gathering and utilization; One of the most powerful intelligence agencies could not prevent the attacks what makes you think the Middle- Eastern countries could?


    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sure they heard if but its a PC thing...........They did not want to offend Islamic Arabs in the atmy by making and issue what he said and did..........

    Oh so PC actually hinders our military chain of command from protecting their fellow soldiers?
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well a great deal of them already do (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Iran etc.) and we happen to be arming a great deal of the regimes that dont. (saudi arabia and the like). So the balls as much in our court as it is in theres.
    You are claiming Iran, an Islamic Republic has freedom of religion? They actually have a quota of 5 seats reserved for non Muslims but they can't go over that number. Even Sunni Muslims are restricted. I'd hardly call that religious freedom.

    And there are also nearly 20 Islamic Republics or States with a state religion of Islam so "a great deal of them" doesn't work when you look at the numbers.

    Besides, they can't hold a candle to any other major religion dominated country from Christianity to Hinduism when it comes to religious freedom which is the point.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You are claiming Iran, an Islamic Republic has freedom of religion? They actually have a quota of 5 seats reserved for non Muslims but they can't go over that number. Even Sunni Muslims are restricted. I'd hardly call that religious freedom.

    And there are also nearly 20 Islamic Republics or States with a state religion of Islam so "a great deal of them" doesn't work when you look at the numbers.

    Besides, they can't hold a candle to any other major religion dominated country from Christianity to Hinduism when it comes to religious freedom which is the point.
    It was probably not the best example; religious minorities are certainly excluded from political power in Iran but in the sense that you can practice your religion without interference (e.g by going to a church or a synagogue) I would say they have a degree of religious freedom. I find it interesting you mention Arab states given that

    1 the presidents of Syria and Lebanon are both Christian. In Lebanon in particular it’s historically been the Christians who have enjoyed disproportionate influence
    2 Many of the more conservative Arab states are being continuously armed to the teeth by the west e.g Saudi Arabia.

    As regards the last point you should bear in mind the situation of non Buddhist groups in Burma. But I’m not saying there is no problem at all with religious freedom in many Muslim countries. What I’m saying is

    1 That this is far less universal then it’s made out to be
    2 That its inaccurate to simplify this as a "west good, Muslim world bad" issue when we’re supporting a lot of the regimes that are doing this. The British and French could have handed over their mandates to pluralist democratic governments but instead they choose to do hand power to corrupt monarchies. We can’t attribute all the Middle East’s problems to Islam

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