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Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

OK Wing nut kindly tell us how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with your favorite phrase IEI? Saddam was no religious dictator, and his expansion days were over after Kuwait.

After the war with Kuwait Saddam remolded himself as the next Saladin and began reaching out to Islamist terrorist organizations with the intent of attacking the U.S..

The Taliban had no desire to expand in 2001,

Um no the Taliban began expanding into Pakistan in 1998.

and ALQ were a few hundred Arabs, who were dangerous to the west but in no way capable of expanding into anywhere.

AQ was a part of the Taliban government.
 
This is tedious. Are your parents home? Because I don't see how a grown adult can keep arguing against the same simple facts over and over again and not understand what they are being told.

Aside from the very sad attempt at a putdown, I feel the same way about you.

Yes, Islamic culture in some aspects treats it's women bellow men.

And the squirrel starts to move in the little wheel.

And what? The Muslim women that live in Western society have the choice to go through the courts of their religion OR those of the country they live in. Either way it's their prerogative regardless of whether you accept it or not.

Nope, he just stopped again. You still do not understand the role of women in an Islamic home, their treatment or their lack of freedom. You make it sound so easy for them which clearly demonstrates you do not understand Sharia law or Islamic practice.

It is not any different then two secular parties agreeing to divorce terms in closed quarters and with little outside input.

Yes yes yes it is. Because the incredible disadvantage women have in Islamic households of not only being allowed to leave a home without a man present to the inequality they live with at home

I keep reading your post and it does nothing to support the assessment that Sharia law is now running British neighborhoods. This is the third time I ask for such information.

I never said that. You are confusing me with someone else. I said Sharia is being used in the UK in direct conflict with British law and I've proven that.

Aside from the fact that your post is a gross generalization of Islamic culture,

Which I would love to see you prove.

you can't seem to comprehend that at the end of the day it is their prerogative if they want a 3rd party to help them solve their marital dispute regardless of what your beliefs are. What makes you think they wouldn't come to the same terms under British divorce law?

Wow. You are so displaying your lack of knowledge about Sharia law here.

First off all, again you ducked it, the cost is different for divorce in Sharia court law. Its 1/2 the price for men than it is for women. This is the second time you have ducked this. I ask again, why?

Pretty sure the cost is the same for divorce for either gender under British law. :roll:

Second, Sharia law as I've quoted states a man simply has to utter a word to formalize a divorce. Not the same for a woman. She must have his permission to divorce in Sharia law.

Before you pretend once again how much smarter you are you might want to think about reading what Sharia Law actually says before pretending British laws on divorce and Sharia laws are the same.

Your argument ignores that at the end of the day:

1) it's none of your silly business how these people decide to divorce.

Sigh. It absolutely is our business if the woman is looked at as unequal to men. How many times must I repeat this before you read it?

2) the outcome would still be the same if the women are as brainwashed as you seem to think they are.

Already disproven. Please read above.
 
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What is actually happening :

Oh really now, so domestic violence is now to be considered a civil crime?

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts -Times Online
 
Who cares what his motivation was? Does it change the fact that he's a nutjob and killed several innocent people? Obviously, his behavior doesn't bespeak of the majority of peaceful Muslims across the world. Rather than blaming Islam, perhaps we should...i don't know...blame the guy who was shooting people? :doh

Because, if there are more extremist Muslims who are members of our military, they need to be hunted down and drumbed out of the service.

I mean, before this happens again-n-all.

I bet if this guy hated Obama and gunned down a bunch of black folks, you wouldn't be so forgiving of his motivation.

The PC crowd has really come out in force to defend this bastard. Incredible!
 
LMAO at that freedom house site... it put Great britain as 'FREE'... LMAO... you can't even take pictures without being searched, other times the 'offender' is put in a terrorist database, or accused of being a potential child pornographer...
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Innocent photographer or terrorist?

Stop and searches are only allowed in areas which have been designated as likely terrorist attacks. Please provide a source which states people are placed on the terrorist watch list for simply taking a picture.

The US and Canada, 'free'... lol... in canada you can't have a beer and a cigarette at the same time. you gotta take your shoes off to get on a plane,

And why would that be? If you think public safety during exercise of the individuals right of freedom of movement = anti-freedom then you're wires must be crossed.

the highest concentration of a prison population in the US then ANYWHERE else in the world,

:roll: Prison population statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't take into account countries which institute immediate capital punishment or still implement corporal punishment, it further does not take into account countries which give intentionally low statistical information or countries not developed enough to make accurate estimates, nor does it take into account length of sentences.

I mean seriously, the US is just a few steps away from a police state.

You have no idea what a ****ing police state actually looks like.

Now, I don't know about those other places, but north america and britain should fall in the 'partly free' category at best.

I think I'll go with parameters; such as, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, free elections, the right to due process, etc etc et al.
 
Islam is part of the equation, but what it is about is a nutter who viewed Islam in an extremist light, and who saw himself bound (by dint of extremist thought exacerbated by mental illness) to act.

Completely disagree. He was following the Qur'an to the letter when it comes to how you treat non believers.

Islam does not require it. Only Extremist Muslims say it is a requirement to kill Americans in general. The Koran says it is required when Islam itself is under attack, and many Muslims do not believe this.

I'm sorry but that is not correct.

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)


This is just a small sample.

The blessing to attack non believers is so broad it can almost be anything. They can find justification in any non believer being on what they consider "Islamic soil"

They can attack non believers who prevent the Caliph from uniting the lands under Islamic law.

And don't forget about the jiyaza tax the Qur'an requires of non believers living within Islamic societies.

Its the broad range of excuses and directives to attack non believers that makes literal Islam so dangerous.

A Poll of Muslims in ME countries showed 75% did not think suicide bombing or violence against civilians to defend Islam against it's enemies was justified. He was mentally unstable according to his fellow mental health workers at Walter Reed. O.K. so what? So are thousands of Americans. They're not going round killing people.

I don't know where that poll came from but how about one from Muslims living in the UK?

40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims

a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law

* 40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely

* 24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah

* a quarter have little or no respect for homosexuals.

Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to "promote or preserve" religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.


Those are some scary numbers and that is just from Muslims who actually live in a Western country.

Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students - Telegraph
 
Stop and searches are only allowed in areas which have been designated as likely terrorist attacks. Please provide a source which states people are placed on the terrorist watch list for simply taking a picture.
1 - Schoolboy, 15, held as terror suspect after taking photos of railway station for GCSE project | Mail Online
2 - Police delete London tourists' photos 'to prevent terrorism' | UK news | guardian.co.uk (They just had the pictures deleted)
3 - BBC NEWS | UK | Is it a crime to take pictures? (Section 76 of the counter-terrorism code says YES)
4 - Photographers criminalised as police 'abuse' anti-terror laws - Home News, UK - The Independent


And why would that be? If you think public safety during exercise of the individuals right of freedom of movement = anti-freedom then you're wires must be crossed.

Ok, maybe not the best example... but then again, not even being able to walk down the street with a beer in hand is pretty rediculous of a restriction if you think about it... now, while driving is a different issue, but then you become a public risk.

:roll: Prison population statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't take into account countries which institute immediate capital punishment or still implement corporal punishment, it further does not take into account countries which give intentionally low statistical information or countries not developed enough to make accurate estimates, nor does it take into account length of sentences.

Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.

You have no idea what a ****ing police state actually looks like.

No, but I've learned enough history to see what goes on in a police state, that's I said, we're not in one... but rather a few steps away. Then again, when the time comes it'll be like that quote in 'star wars' : "And so the republic ends not with a wimper, but with thunderous applause."

But since you're so smug on the subject, how about you list the differences between the CURRENT reality of north american life, and a police state. This way I can at least see if your idea of a police state is nothing short of open martial law with troops on the streets.

I think I'll go with parameters; such as, freedom of speech,

Freedom of speech has ended in this country... now it's 'free speech zones' and other similar speech restrictions. Our speech is no longer free, just 'lightly restricted when needed'.

freedom of assembly,

Yes... like we saw in Pittsburgh... where there is video of people sitting on their porches, or on campus being told that they were participating in an 'illegal gathering' and then blasted with a sound cannon, beat up, pepper sprayed and arrested.

Not to mention that the permitted march was denied access to part of the permitted area and then blasted with the sound cannons (that's right before the "anarchists" pushed the trashcans towards the police line)

freedom of movement,
At least this part is still intact,

freedom of religion,
True... although most churches have signed away their rights as a religion but instead are 'tax-exempt charities' under the law... 501(c)3

free elections,

With voting machines designed for ease of fraud, specifically the computerized ones.

the right to due process,

Unless you are charged under patriot act.
 
Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.

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Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.

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Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.

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Stossel demands a section number for this bull****! Here: Patriot Act HR 3162

AND YOU CAPITALIZE THE 'C' IN CONSTITUTION BECAUSE IT'S A PROPER NOUN!
 
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Stossel demands a section number for this bull****! Here: Patriot Act HR 3162

AND YOU CAPITALIZE THE 'C' IN CONSTITUTION BECAUSE IT'S A PROPER NOUN!

Not anymore it's not... now it's written with a small c like you would spell 'toilet paper' because that's how it's been treated lately.

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

Now the rest of the B part can be justified in many ways, but the wording also doesn't preclude political activism.

Who the hell is stossel?
 
with a small c like you would spell 'toilet paper'

You had best not be an American Citizen.

Now the rest of the B part can be justified in many ways, but the wording also doesn't preclude political activism.

Wow, that's quite a stretch. From "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State" plus a myriad of other requirements to, how did you so eloquently put it? "you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights"

Who the hell is stossel?

Oh hell no, I KNOW you're not a real American now.
 
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You had best not be an American Citizen.

I'm not the one that's treating it like that... I'm hear DEFENDING the constitution and I'm told that I had better not be a citizen... WOW...

Wow, that's quite a stretch. From "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State" plus a myriad of other requirements to, how did you so eloquently put it? "you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights"

Listen, friend, a drug dealer (not that I'm promoting drug use) is engaged in 'acts dangerous to human life' AND is in 'violation of the criminal laws of the united states or of any state'... and so are treated like 'domestic terrorists'... (I may not agree with drug dealing, but I also don't agree that they should be treated as 'terrorists')

Now, as much as wiki is a questionable source, this one has the most examples in one link :
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act]Controversial invocations of the USA PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Oh and that's without getting into the sections of the patriot act that have been deemed unconstitutional by american judges... :doh:

Oh hell no, I KNOW you're not a real American now.

Isn't it amazing that I should care more about what's going on on the other side of the border and across the pond... the fact of the matter is that the same types of laws exist in Canada as well... so just because I'm not american doesn't make it any less relevant for myself and my family.
 
They're not going around killing people...yet.


>.>

8 years since we invaded a muslim country. I think there would have been more killings by now if the American muslims had had a mind to.
 
So deport all Muslims right?

I asked you a series of questions for the purpose of having a debate. That's why I haven't been aggressive with you. Don't play games with me. No matter how smart you are, I am more experienced in the techniques of debate. Answer my questions and I will answer yours. Debate me or I will come down on you like the wrath of god. Balls in your court.
 
Muslims want to be fully embraced by Americans despite the baggage that comes with Muslims in general.

Millions of Americans think the baggage is too great to abide.

With greater numbers of Muslim comes a greater frequency of Islamic violence.

Gee this sounds like a tract from the 60's, when Blacks started to demand equality, and whites (southerners especially) said "they" should go back to Africa. And I think the number of murders of white people committed by blacks, and vice versa is 10000% higher than any violence by Muslim Americans.
 
I'm not the one that's treating it like that... I'm hear DEFENDING the constitution and I'm told that I had better not be a citizen... WOW...

You were disrespectful to the "Highest Law in the Land" and got cocky about it. Not my fault.

Listen, friend, a drug dealer (not that I'm promoting drug use) is engaged in 'acts dangerous to human life' AND is in 'violation of the criminal laws of the united states or of any state'... and so are treated like 'domestic terrorists'... (I may not agree with drug dealing, but I also don't agree that they should be treated as 'terrorists')

Now, as much as wiki is a questionable source, this one has the most examples in one link :
Controversial invocations of the USA PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh and that's without getting into the sections of the patriot act that have been deemed unconstitutional by american judges... :doh:

Show me some cases where your average, everyday pothead gets the Patriot Act treatment. Then tell me some smugglers from Columbia helping to bring in over 80% of the nation's cocaine, killing anyone who gets in their way, don't deserve to be considered terrorists?

Isn't it amazing that I should care more about what's going on on the other side of the border and across the pond... the fact of the matter is that the same types of laws exist in Canada as well... so just because I'm not american doesn't make it any less relevant for myself and my family.

The Stossel thing was a joke, dude. It's to keep an air of humor around here.
 
Gee this sounds like a tract from the 60's, when Blacks started to demand equality, and whites (southerners especially) said "they" should go back to Africa. And I think the number of murders of white people committed by blacks, and vice versa is 10000% higher than any violence by Muslim Americans.

You've been called out. I'm waiting for a response.
 
Gee this sounds like a tract from the 60's, when Blacks started to demand equality, and whites (southerners especially) said "they" should go back to Africa. And I think the number of murders of white people committed by blacks, and vice versa is 10000% higher than any violence by Muslim Americans.

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Gee this sounds like a tract from the 60's, when Blacks started to demand equality, and whites (southerners especially) said "they" should go back to Africa. And I think the number of murders of white people committed by blacks, and vice versa is 10000% higher than any violence by Muslim Americans.

And, you consider yourself slightly Liberal? Why not just go all the way, dude?
 
After the war with Kuwait Saddam remolded himself as the next Saladin and began reaching out to Islamist terrorist organizations with the intent of attacking the U.S..
And when we got a look at what was really going on we found out that Saddam had no clue about the sad state of his army. The so called terrorists he may have dealt with were an anti Iranian group in Kurdistan. His so called terrorist camps were built so the army could work on counter terrorism.



Um no the Taliban began expanding into Pakistan in 1998.
It was hardly an expansion. The borders are porous, the Taliban was cozy with the ISI, and many Afghanis live in waziristan.



AQ was a part of the Taliban government.
Totally wrong. ALQ was allowed to stay in Aghanistan by Mullah Omar, and Osama paid allegiance to him because he didn't want to relocate. Osama had no role in the govt.
 
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