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Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Hatuey said:
This is tedious. Are your parents home? Because I don't see how a grown adult can keep arguing against the same simple facts over and over again and not understand what they are being told.

Yes, Islamic culture in some aspects treats it's women bellow women. And what? The Muslim women that live in Western society have the choice to go through the courts of their religion OR those of the country they live in. Either way it's their prerogative regardless of whether you accept it or not.

It is not any different then two secular parties agreeing to divorce terms in closed quarters and with little outside input. I keep reading your post and it does nothing to support the assessment that Sharia law is now running British neighborhoods. This is the third time I ask for such information.

Aside from the fact that your post is a gross generalization of Islamic culture, you can't seem to comprehend that at the end of the day it is their prerogative if they want a 3rd party to help them solve their marital dispute regardless of what your beliefs are. What makes you think they wouldn't come to the same terms under British divorce law? Your argument ignores that at the end of the day:

1) it's none of your silly business how these people decide to divorce.

and

2) the outcome would still be the same if the women are as brainwashed as you seem to think they are.
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tell it to ms abdullah's father and grandfather

of course, you're correct

she can always become a complete outcast within her own community

she can choose to get a job with at&t and marry mr ng, the vietnamese catholic

very realistic
 
American said:
You heathen, you'd make a lousy liberal.
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You got beef, son?
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EpicDude86 said:
lol, you used Jihad Watch as an example? As much as I love JW, They're gonna tear that reference up.
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I let him slide. I'm used to him bringing up places like allmuslimsareterrorists.org to make his case.
 
texmaster said:
I truly believe the media and the government will do anything to keep this from being about what it was. Islam.
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Islam is part of the equation, but what it is about is a nutter who viewed Islam in an extremist light, and who saw himself bound (by dint of extremist thought exacerbated by mental illness) to act.

This guy followed what Islam requires of him.
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Islam does not require it. Only Extremist Muslims say it is a requirement to kill Americans in general. The Koran says it is required when Islam itself is under attack, and many Muslims do not believe this. A Poll of Muslims in ME countries showed 75% did not think suicide bombing or violence against civilians to defend Islam against it's enemies was justified.
He wasn't crazy
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He was mentally unstable according to his fellow mental health workers at Walter Reed.
He was a fundamentalist Islamic believer.
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O.K. so what? So are thousands of Americans. They're not going round killing people.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Your narrative explains why Hasan acted. Your narrative doesn't explain why the Army failed to remove him after it was discovered he repeatedly expressed extremist views inimical to the organization of which he was a part. Nor does your narrative explain why was selected to attend Homeland Security conferences last year and early this year. We will never win a conflict when we can't bring ourselves to express the name of our enemy.

The guy had Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Jews, Christians, Animists, Atheists and Agnostics don't suffer from this malady. What are the causes of Sudden Jihad Syndrome?
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So deport all Muslims right?
 
The Prof said:
it appears hasan's extremist, violent political views should have been addressed by his employers
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I agree. However my comment was to the statement that he was a Fundamental Islam believer. There is nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist anything, unless in the belief system there is a call to break the law.
 
of course, thank you

but if he were a skinhead, for instance, with such hateful mind and mouth...

somehow, i belive his commanders would have taken more aggressive action
 
Agent Ferris said:
Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
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Whats the benefit from knowing that ?
I am pretty sure that he wasn't getting a good treatment from all because of his religion, but still not an urge at all to kill anyone . Motivated or not, no one will take by his words of course, not after what he did .
 
tjinta ibis said:
So are thousands of Americans. They're not going round killing people.
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Muslims want to be fully embraced by Americans despite the baggage that comes with Muslims in general.

Millions of Americans think the baggage is too great to abide.

With greater numbers of Muslim comes a greater frequency of Islamic violence.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Whats the benefit from knowing that ?
I am pretty sure that he wasn't getting a good treatment from all because of his religion, but still not an urge at all to kill anyone . Motivated or not, no one will take by his words of course, not after what he did .
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Shaheen says Hasan was not a jihadist. :roll: :doh I heard Sharpton said Jackson wasn't racist.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Whats the benefit from knowing that ?
I am pretty sure that he wasn't getting a good treatment from all because of his religion,
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No he got a hard time because he praised suicide bombers and said Muslims should kill Americans. Nobody had a problem with him because he was a Muslim but because he was an Islamist, and with good reason.
 
Red_Dave said:
Well a great deal of them already do (Turkey,
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Agreed but only to the extent that Islamist parties are banned.

Azerbaijan,
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Nope:

freedomhouse.org: Country Report

Malaysia,
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They're getting better:

freedomhouse.org: Map of Freedom in the World

Iran etc.)
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Iran? Really? Come on buddy they were shooting peaceful protesters in the streets. I'd have went with Indonesia, Turkey, Albania, Niger, and Yemen, though with the possible exception of Albania religious minorities are still highly discriminated against in these countries though not generally by the state but by society.

and we happen to be arming a great deal of the regimes that dont. (saudi arabia and the like). So the balls as much in our court as it is in theres.
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Look what happened when we put pressure on the Shah of Iran to liberalize. We forced him to release political prisoners, got him to take the educational institutions out of the hands of the clerics, and then abandoned all support for him leading to his eminent overthrow due to the liberal policies we ourselves put pressure on him to implement. And now what's left is a regime far worse than the Shah ever was.

The problem with the ME is not U.S. support or lack of U.S. support it is Islamist indoctrination from the cradle to the grave. It doesn't matter who their leaders are
 
RightinNYC said:
And if you'd bothered to pay attention, you'd know that the reason the FBI didn't do anything about those postings when they first saw them is because they didn't know if they were posted by this guy. Believe it or not, there is more than one Nidal Hasan in the world. If it turns out that this was the guy, which seems likely, then we'll have more information to go on. I'm going to wait until we know that for sure.
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They were doing something about it, the FBI had him under investigation and was in the process of tracking the posts back to him.


Reread the guy's claims. Much of it is hearsay and that that isn't seems a little strange.
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No the quote from the OP was not hearsay, the Colonel said he heard him say it directly, that is eyewitness testimony.

Again, I ask a relatively simple question:

If someone in the army was saying that muslims should rise up and kill americans, and that he wanted people to strap on bombs and go to times square, and that he was giddy about US soldiers being killed, don't you think someone would have mentioned this before this incident?
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He was under investigation.
 
Red_Dave said:
It was probably not the best example; religious minorities are certainly excluded from political power in Iran but in the sense that you can practice your religion without interference (e.g by going to a church or a synagogue)
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B.S. you can, try passing out a bible or prostelytizing or try having a non-Muslim man marry a Muslim woman, or try converting from Islam, or hay try being Bahai. Iran has 0 religious freedom it doesn't exist.
 
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Let us not get caught up on the why. We can formulate the why as the investigation continues or within the confines of our brains. let us instead look at the what. WHAT did he do? He killed other Americans.


That makes me....ANGRY! >:C
 
Agent Ferris said:
Agreed but only to the extent that Islamist parties are banned.



Nope:

freedomhouse.org: Country Report



They're getting better:

freedomhouse.org: Map of Freedom in the World



Iran? Really? Come on buddy they were shooting peaceful protesters in the streets. I'd have went with Indonesia, Turkey, Albania, Niger, and Yemen, though with the possible exception of Albania religious minorities are still highly discriminated against in these countries though not generally by the state but by society.



Look what happened when we put pressure on the Shah of Iran to liberalize. We forced him to release political prisoners, got him to take the educational institutions out of the hands of the clerics, and then abandoned all support for him leading to his eminent overthrow due to the liberal policies we ourselves put pressure on him to implement. And now what's left is a regime far worse than the Shah ever was.

The problem with the ME is not U.S. support or lack of U.S. support it is Islamist indoctrination from the cradle to the grave. It doesn't matter who their leaders are
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LMAO at that freedom house site... it put Great britain as 'FREE'... LMAO... you can't even take pictures without being searched, other times the 'offender' is put in a terrorist database, or accused of being a potential child pornographer...
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Innocent photographer or terrorist?

The US and Canada, 'free'... lol... in canada you can't have a beer and a cigarette at the same time. you gotta take your shoes off to get on a plane, the highest concentration of a prison population in the US then ANYWHERE else in the world, I mean seriously, the US is just a few steps away from a police state.

Now, I don't know about those other places, but north america and britain should fall in the 'partly free' category at best.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Let us not get caught up on the why. We can formulate the why as the investigation continues or within the confines of our brains. let us instead look at the what. WHAT did he do? He killed other Americans.


That makes me....ANGRY! >:C
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I think an interesting question would be : Was this guy on a prozac or ritalin family of drugs?? I mean, 90% or so of mass shootings are related to this family of drugs, to the extent that it's even a warned side-effect on the drug insert.

I know it'll be called 'conspiracy theory' but I figured that those in the army would be screened out for anti-war tendencies, among a few other things that had been reported that suggest the possibility that this man could have been a victim of MK-Ultra (mind control experiments, simply put. That have been partially declassified)

Then again, it's outwardly possible that this man really was a muslim extremist... but the safe money is on this guy taking some form of prozac or ritalin.
 
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