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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    There is a tendency for some Muslims to take some things too literally. The Koran, when it comes to Jihad and in this case GWB's use of the word, "crusade." He wasn't speaking of that kind of Crusade.

    It's doubtful he was even aware of what the Crusade was about at that time.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I suspect this is just a thinly veiled effort to bash Muslims, rather than anyone genuinely caring about his motives.
    Yes, everyone who points out that a murderer was an Islamic extremist obviously hates Muslims.

    I don't so much care about the motive (although saying "it doesn't matter" over and over and over again is odd, because I've never seen people do this with murderers who had other motives) as I am disgusted with the PC crap so many members are spewing here.

    And FYI, since we're, you know, at war with Islamic extremists, just because the motive doesn't matter to policy doesn't mean it isn't worthy of note.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Yes, everyone who points out that a murderer was an Islamic extremist obviously hates Muslims.
    Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav
    I don't so much care about the motive (although saying "it doesn't matter" over and over and over again is odd, because I've never seen people do this with murderers who had other motives) as I am disgusted with the PC crap so many members are spewing here.
    Over and over again? I said it once. If there is no policy implication either way, what's the point in speculating on his motives? How should anyone know what his motives were, aside from the tiny soundbites that have been broadcast in the media anyway?

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    And FYI, since we're, you know, at war with Islamic extremists, just because the motive doesn't matter to policy doesn't mean it isn't worthy of note.
    Well, consider it noted! Now then, do you think it should affect our policy/response in some way?
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
    I listened to NPR and some reports seem to suggest that he was strongly religious, a strong Muslim and against the war. Other reports indicated that he was happy with the military but wasn't looking forward to being shipped out. Others mentioned the possibility of a mental health issue of working with others with bad war experiences. I'd say I would hold off on making any judgments until more of this plays out.

    Lots of roles to consider. He was a Major in the US Military. A psychiatrist and a Muslim.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?
    Bad analogy, since the guy used his religion as motivation for the murders. OJ did not kill a white woman because he was racist against whites, but if he had done so, and if his doing so was part of a larger black movement against whites, not actively ignoring these facts would not make you racist.

    Over and over again? I said it once.
    You personally said it only once, but the statement has appeared in this thread and others over and over and over again.

    If there is no policy implication either way, what's the point in speculating on his motives? How should anyone know what his motives were, aside from the tiny soundbites that have been broadcast in the media anyway?
    Hell, what's the point in even mentioning the murders in the first place if they don't have any policy implications? Maybe we should stop making threads about them.

    When people hear a story- especially one with such damaging effects in real life- they want to hear the whole thing. The fact that the part of the story where the guy is an Islamic extremist makes the PC in some people queasy does not change this fact.

    Well, consider it noted! Now then, do you think it should affect our policy/response in some way?
    I don't know, but the fact that we're supposed to be fighting people like this abroad so that we don't have to deal with them at home, and suddenly we are dealing with these people at home, is frightening, so it certainly affects one's emotional response.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
    As far as Jihadists go, he sucks.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?
    More Apologism that Intentionally, or more likely, vacuusously misses the point.

    If OJ had killed his wife because she was white and he has black (and it was a national/intl problem and part of some major/his religion's Scripture; and/or yelled "long live the Black Panthers/Elijah Mohamed" as he stabbed her) .. it WOULD have had wider implications.

    If Madoff had fleeced non-Jews (instead of mainly Jews) because they were non-Jews (and it was a national/intl problem and part of His Scripture, and Professed "Scam to the Goyim").. it also WOULD have wider implications about the Jewish population of this country.

    So Your Comparsion is completely Inapt and the usual ultra-tiresome Apologism for Islam/Islamism/Jihad/ because it IS part of His/Hasan's "Allah Akhbar" (DUCK!) Scripture.. and BTW, the world's largest cause of intentional violent death... which already IS a worldwide and daily problem.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman.?

    If he killed her because she was white that might make some sense.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    There is a tendency for some Muslims to take some things too literally. .
    Can you blame them for that? Two muslim countries are already under an occupation and the third one is threatened.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Can you blame them for that? Two muslim countries are already under an occupation and the third one is threatened.
    Not all Muslims think that way.

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