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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    lmfao the KKK has not killed as many people in the last 50 years as AQ killed in a single day. In fact the total amount of lynchings of African Americans since 1882 only slightly exceeds that of those killed on 9-11, 2,976 killed on 9-11 versus 3,445 lynchings of African Americans since 1882.

    Lynching Statistics by Year
    September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ferris, don't feed the troll

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Which is like saying that the hillbillies captured Appalachia and the Ozarks.
    Um no the hillbillies didn't perpetrate massive genocide to obtain Appalachia and the Ozarks, that is what the Islamic Imperialists did to the Hindus living in the Indian subcontinent during the worst ethnic cleansing in history right up until that perpetrated by Hitler and Stalin.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    This really is an inside peek at how the sausage is made.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    This really is an inside peek at how the sausage is made.
    I'm waiting.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I'm waiting.
    Please don't otherwise you'll jam up the epic extruding prong.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    And when we got a look at what was really going on we found out that Saddam had no clue about the sad state of his army. The so called terrorists he may have dealt with were an anti Iranian group in Kurdistan. His so called terrorist camps were built so the army could work on counter terrorism.
    Um no smart guy he collaborated with Islamist terrorist organizations including AQ affiliates and he wasn't going after Iran he was going after the U.S. I suggest you read The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled the "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," which demonstrates that Iraq was in fact collaborating with Islamist extremists and actively working with them to attack the U.S.:


    WASHINGTON A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

    The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

    The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

    The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

    A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

    A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

    "This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

    The report concludes that Saddam until the final months of his regime was willing to attack America. Its conclusion asks "Is there anything in the captured archives to indicate that Saddam had the will to use his terrorist capabilities directly against the United States?" It goes on, "Judging from Saddam's statements before the 1991 Gulf War with the United States, the answer is yes." As for after the Gulf War, the report states, "The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's 'coercion' tool box." It goes on, "Evidence that was uncovered and analyzed attests to the existence of a terrorist capability and a willingness to use it until the day Saddam was forced to flee Baghdad by Coalition forces." The report does note that it is unclear whether Saddam would have authorized terrorism against American targets in the final months of his regime before Operation Iraqi Freedom five years ago. "The answer to the question of Saddam's will in the final months in power remains elusive," it says.


    Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun

    Here's a link to the full report the pertinent information is located in the first volume of this five volume DOCEX:

    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX which shows how Saddam was recruiting suicide volunteers right up until at least 2001 to attack U.S. interests:

    Wednesday, April 05, 2006

    March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)


    Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11.

    Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654

    In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate

    Top Secret

    The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    No 3/6/104
    Date 11 March 2001
    To all the Units

    Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

    The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.

    Air Brigadier General
    Abdel Magid Hammot Ali
    Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    Air Colonel
    Mohamad Majed Mohamadi.
    End of translation of page 6

    It was hardly an expansion. The borders are porous, the Taliban was cozy with the ISI, and many Afghanis live in waziristan.
    The Taliban was spreading its puritanical Islamist ideology internationally.


    Totally wrong. ALQ was allowed to stay in Aghanistan by Mullah Omar, and Osama paid allegiance to him because he didn't want to relocate. Osama had no role in the govt.
    Wrong again chuckles, AQ was part and parcel to the Taliban government led by Mullah Omar, they had a seat on the Taliban's ministry of defense, there was a special branch of the Taliban military known as the 055 brigade which was made up exclusively of AQ fighters, and the Taliban granted them a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    When people claim that the Taliban didn't attack us it's like saying that if the CIA decided to bomb a building in; say, Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't the U.S. government attacking them.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    if the CIA decided to bomb a building in; say, Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't the U.S. government attacking them.

    I don't know about that analogy....The CIA does whatever they want, with or without the U.S. Gov't.




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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That may be the case, but Pittsburgh's G-20 has shown that even 'peaceful' protest can be deemed 'illegal gatherings'... hell, what the cops / millitary did at the university could even extend that to 'peaceful spectating' of political activism can be deemed 'illegal gatherings'.
    lol the black blocs don't peaceably assemble sport, they incite riots, that's what they do, that's all they do, and they've been doing it since at least Seatle, giving a lawful order for an unruly mob which is inciting to riot, to disperse is not a violation of free speech, for Christ's sakes John Adams successfully defended the ****ing red coats after the Boston Massacre for a far more viscous assault.

    It's my understanding that it becomes up to the courts once the law is passed to interpret these laws... so regardless of our interpretations, it's really how the judge sees it relative to the cases... right? Now, I may have been a little 'over-the top' in my interpretation, but you still got people arguing that the second ammendment does not protect a citizens right to bear arms, so anything is possible in these interpretative efforts.
    All refer you once again to the Padilla case Boumediene cases of the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There were some less-than-peaceful protesters in Pittsburgh (There were a few hardcore 'Anarchists'), and the presence of a **** ton of Cops I'm sure didn't make them any less likely to not try and cause trouble. Thank Goodness there was no major trouble while the Foreign Leaders were there.
    Yes, there were also Cops that were CAUGHT ON FILM in 'anarchist' gear... in another thread I had mentioned an article where it was plainly stated that 'police infiltration of protest groups was a global standard practise'... yet, the only groups that ever seem to have cops caught doing anything wrong is when they've infiltrated anarchist groups... this was shown in : Geneva, London, Canada, Melbourne, Greece, etc...

    Also, it's only ever the anarchists that get violent at those protests... or at least initiate / instigate the violence. if you could show me an example where it's not anarchists groups engaging in violent acts during a protest, I'd be glad to see it.

    That said, the violent protestors aside, the police DID GO OVERBOARD considering the situation, the video of the university situation speaks for itself... a few dozen students just sitting in the park, not even protesting... when the sound cannons roll up with lines of cops... they chased the people through the park to the dorms, with dogs, and arrested everyone they caught... trapped students in the stairwell of the dorms and tear gassed them before eventually allowing them back to the dorms... one elderly woman was sicced by a police dog while exiting a shop, not even part of the protest.

    I'm digressing... it was decided that EVERYONE outside of their homes was part of an 'illegal gathering' and treated as such. That was after even the permitted march was denied the full length of their permitted march.

    I stand by my point, North America is on a slippery slope to turning into an allout police state.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, there were also Cops that were CAUGHT ON FILM in 'anarchist' gear...
    Pardon me for asking, but WTF is 'anarchist' gear?

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