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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    OK Wing nut kindly tell us how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with your favorite phrase IEI? Saddam was no religious dictator, and his expansion days were over after Kuwait.
    After the war with Kuwait Saddam remolded himself as the next Saladin and began reaching out to Islamist terrorist organizations with the intent of attacking the U.S..

    The Taliban had no desire to expand in 2001,
    Um no the Taliban began expanding into Pakistan in 1998.

    and ALQ were a few hundred Arabs, who were dangerous to the west but in no way capable of expanding into anywhere.
    AQ was a part of the Taliban government.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which British neighborhood is ruled over by Shariah law?
    Sharia courts have been officially recognized in the U.K..

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is tedious. Are your parents home? Because I don't see how a grown adult can keep arguing against the same simple facts over and over again and not understand what they are being told.
    Aside from the very sad attempt at a putdown, I feel the same way about you.

    Yes, Islamic culture in some aspects treats it's women bellow men.
    And the squirrel starts to move in the little wheel.

    And what? The Muslim women that live in Western society have the choice to go through the courts of their religion OR those of the country they live in. Either way it's their prerogative regardless of whether you accept it or not.
    Nope, he just stopped again. You still do not understand the role of women in an Islamic home, their treatment or their lack of freedom. You make it sound so easy for them which clearly demonstrates you do not understand Sharia law or Islamic practice.

    It is not any different then two secular parties agreeing to divorce terms in closed quarters and with little outside input.
    Yes yes yes it is. Because the incredible disadvantage women have in Islamic households of not only being allowed to leave a home without a man present to the inequality they live with at home

    I keep reading your post and it does nothing to support the assessment that Sharia law is now running British neighborhoods. This is the third time I ask for such information.
    I never said that. You are confusing me with someone else. I said Sharia is being used in the UK in direct conflict with British law and I've proven that.

    Aside from the fact that your post is a gross generalization of Islamic culture,
    Which I would love to see you prove.

    you can't seem to comprehend that at the end of the day it is their prerogative if they want a 3rd party to help them solve their marital dispute regardless of what your beliefs are. What makes you think they wouldn't come to the same terms under British divorce law?
    Wow. You are so displaying your lack of knowledge about Sharia law here.

    First off all, again you ducked it, the cost is different for divorce in Sharia court law. Its 1/2 the price for men than it is for women. This is the second time you have ducked this. I ask again, why?

    Pretty sure the cost is the same for divorce for either gender under British law.

    Second, Sharia law as I've quoted states a man simply has to utter a word to formalize a divorce. Not the same for a woman. She must have his permission to divorce in Sharia law.

    Before you pretend once again how much smarter you are you might want to think about reading what Sharia Law actually says before pretending British laws on divorce and Sharia laws are the same.

    Your argument ignores that at the end of the day:

    1) it's none of your silly business how these people decide to divorce.
    Sigh. It absolutely is our business if the woman is looked at as unequal to men. How many times must I repeat this before you read it?

    2) the outcome would still be the same if the women are as brainwashed as you seem to think they are.
    Already disproven. Please read above.
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post



    What is actually happening :

    Oh really now, so domestic violence is now to be considered a civil crime?

    It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

    Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

    Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts -Times Online

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    The detectives said this was not a terrorist act.
    lol, ya getting up and yelling ALLAH AHKBAR before firing on fellow soldiers sure doesn't sound like a case of Islamist terrorism to me.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Who cares what his motivation was? Does it change the fact that he's a nutjob and killed several innocent people? Obviously, his behavior doesn't bespeak of the majority of peaceful Muslims across the world. Rather than blaming Islam, perhaps we should...i don't know...blame the guy who was shooting people?
    Because, if there are more extremist Muslims who are members of our military, they need to be hunted down and drumbed out of the service.

    I mean, before this happens again-n-all.

    I bet if this guy hated Obama and gunned down a bunch of black folks, you wouldn't be so forgiving of his motivation.

    The PC crowd has really come out in force to defend this bastard. Incredible!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    LMAO at that freedom house site... it put Great britain as 'FREE'... LMAO... you can't even take pictures without being searched, other times the 'offender' is put in a terrorist database, or accused of being a potential child pornographer...
    BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Innocent photographer or terrorist?
    Stop and searches are only allowed in areas which have been designated as likely terrorist attacks. Please provide a source which states people are placed on the terrorist watch list for simply taking a picture.

    The US and Canada, 'free'... lol... in canada you can't have a beer and a cigarette at the same time. you gotta take your shoes off to get on a plane,
    And why would that be? If you think public safety during exercise of the individuals right of freedom of movement = anti-freedom then you're wires must be crossed.

    the highest concentration of a prison population in the US then ANYWHERE else in the world,
    Prison population statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't take into account countries which institute immediate capital punishment or still implement corporal punishment, it further does not take into account countries which give intentionally low statistical information or countries not developed enough to make accurate estimates, nor does it take into account length of sentences.

    I mean seriously, the US is just a few steps away from a police state.
    You have no idea what a ****ing police state actually looks like.

    Now, I don't know about those other places, but north america and britain should fall in the 'partly free' category at best.
    I think I'll go with parameters; such as, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, free elections, the right to due process, etc etc et al.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Islam is part of the equation, but what it is about is a nutter who viewed Islam in an extremist light, and who saw himself bound (by dint of extremist thought exacerbated by mental illness) to act.
    Completely disagree. He was following the Qur'an to the letter when it comes to how you treat non believers.

    Islam does not require it. Only Extremist Muslims say it is a requirement to kill Americans in general. The Koran says it is required when Islam itself is under attack, and many Muslims do not believe this.
    I'm sorry but that is not correct.

    "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

    "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

    "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

    "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

    "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

    "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)


    This is just a small sample.

    The blessing to attack non believers is so broad it can almost be anything. They can find justification in any non believer being on what they consider "Islamic soil"

    They can attack non believers who prevent the Caliph from uniting the lands under Islamic law.

    And don't forget about the jiyaza tax the Qur'an requires of non believers living within Islamic societies.

    Its the broad range of excuses and directives to attack non believers that makes literal Islam so dangerous.

    A Poll of Muslims in ME countries showed 75% did not think suicide bombing or violence against civilians to defend Islam against it's enemies was justified. He was mentally unstable according to his fellow mental health workers at Walter Reed. O.K. so what? So are thousands of Americans. They're not going round killing people.
    I don't know where that poll came from but how about one from Muslims living in the UK?

    40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims

    a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law

    * 40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely

    * 24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah

    * a quarter have little or no respect for homosexuals.

    Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to "promote or preserve" religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.


    Those are some scary numbers and that is just from Muslims who actually live in a Western country.

    Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students - Telegraph
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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Stop and searches are only allowed in areas which have been designated as likely terrorist attacks. Please provide a source which states people are placed on the terrorist watch list for simply taking a picture.
    1 - Schoolboy, 15, held as terror suspect after taking photos of railway station for GCSE project | Mail Online
    2 - Police delete London tourists' photos 'to prevent terrorism' | UK news | guardian.co.uk (They just had the pictures deleted)
    3 - BBC NEWS | UK | Is it a crime to take pictures? (Section 76 of the counter-terrorism code says YES)
    4 - Photographers criminalised as police 'abuse' anti-terror laws - Home News, UK - The Independent


    And why would that be? If you think public safety during exercise of the individuals right of freedom of movement = anti-freedom then you're wires must be crossed.
    Ok, maybe not the best example... but then again, not even being able to walk down the street with a beer in hand is pretty rediculous of a restriction if you think about it... now, while driving is a different issue, but then you become a public risk.

    Prison population statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't take into account countries which institute immediate capital punishment or still implement corporal punishment, it further does not take into account countries which give intentionally low statistical information or countries not developed enough to make accurate estimates, nor does it take into account length of sentences.
    Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.

    You have no idea what a ****ing police state actually looks like.
    No, but I've learned enough history to see what goes on in a police state, that's I said, we're not in one... but rather a few steps away. Then again, when the time comes it'll be like that quote in 'star wars' : "And so the republic ends not with a wimper, but with thunderous applause."

    But since you're so smug on the subject, how about you list the differences between the CURRENT reality of north american life, and a police state. This way I can at least see if your idea of a police state is nothing short of open martial law with troops on the streets.

    I think I'll go with parameters; such as, freedom of speech,
    Freedom of speech has ended in this country... now it's 'free speech zones' and other similar speech restrictions. Our speech is no longer free, just 'lightly restricted when needed'.

    freedom of assembly,
    Yes... like we saw in Pittsburgh... where there is video of people sitting on their porches, or on campus being told that they were participating in an 'illegal gathering' and then blasted with a sound cannon, beat up, pepper sprayed and arrested.

    Not to mention that the permitted march was denied access to part of the permitted area and then blasted with the sound cannons (that's right before the "anarchists" pushed the trashcans towards the police line)

    freedom of movement,
    At least this part is still intact,

    freedom of religion,
    True... although most churches have signed away their rights as a religion but instead are 'tax-exempt charities' under the law... 501(c)3

    free elections,
    With voting machines designed for ease of fraud, specifically the computerized ones.

    the right to due process,
    Unless you are charged under patriot act.

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    Re: Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, this is true... but we have a 'patriot act' now where you can be deemed a 'domestic terrorist' for violating any 'federal or state law' and then stripped of your constitutional rights.


    Stossel demands a section number for this bull****! Here: Patriot Act HR 3162

    AND YOU CAPITALIZE THE 'C' IN CONSTITUTION BECAUSE IT'S A PROPER NOUN!
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