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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Because I watch the news! You gonna take up for him? OMG! :(

Where did I take up for him Kali? I asked you how you know he went there to kill for his religion. What news are you watching? Because no network has actually provided evidence of this yet.

I'd appreciate it if you wait till I actually take up for him before you open your mouth and stick your foot in it in front of everyone.


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Lex, But he said it! He also was telling other doctors that they should behead non-believers and pour hot oil down their throats. I saw inteview with his neighbor and they said he was handing out the Koran and saying he was going to do good work for God. :(
 
BmanMcfly, cry me a frigging river! Do you think I give a crap about this assholes rights? I don't! He was caught dead to rights and we all know he did it so kill him asap.

Yes, so the trial will be a slam dunk... Texas also supports the death penalty, so you will likely get your wish to see him dead, and we can maintain our standards for law and order in this country.

Look, I'm not saying I don't want to see justice for the families, the victims, and everything... but if we take away HIS right to a fair trial, then you are saying that YOU do not deserve a fair trial... do YOU REALLY want to live in a world where you are guilty untill proven innocent?

He didn't kill because he was a Muslim?
Total bull****! He told his neighbor before he left for the base" I'm going to do good work for God" He had tried to convert new doctors! He went there that day to kill for his religion! Anybody that thinks otherwise? Wake Up!

How can people defend this scumbag?

The fact of the matter is that his may not be quite that simple...

He may have been self-medicating, he may have had a psychotic episode due to the prozac / ritalin type drugs...

He may have been a victim of mind control experiments.

He still might very well have been a muslim terrorist, they do exist as well as any other type groups that have crazy followers...

There were reports of other gunmen initially??

The guy would have had to reload both of his guns at least 3-4 times...

Yes, this man is guilty of committing the crime, but instead of just gunning him down, how about trying to get some answers that might offer a level of closure for the victims families, it's not like this guys gonna walk away a free man regardless.
 
How can anybody try to make excuses for this asshole? It says a lot about a person if they are trying to defend and even make an excuse for this scumbag! How dare people try to defend this man! It is not like there is any question he did it! HE KILLED them and some of the victims were injured so bad that they will live the rest of their lives with medical injuries! Shame on people who take up for this Monster!
 
I am usually all for rights but this bastard should have NONE! You hear me? NONE! Just put a frigging pillow case over his face right now!
 
What I can almost promise you is that the anti-Islam goon squad will take his non-affiliation and use that as evidence that no Muslim can be trusted. "If they are true Muslims they don't need to be a part of a terror cell, all they need to do is do what this man did. In fact they are commanded to. It's their Islamic duty!"

That's where this is going, hell...that's where it's already gone.

My friend, please spend some time reading what is expected from muslims. Total submission is what is expected of every muslim.

Qur'an:47:4
"So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making them captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom them based upon what benefits Islam until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Bukhari:V1B2N25
"Allah's Apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next best in goodness?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.'"

Qur'an:9:5
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:8:39
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."

Qur'an:8:65
"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Qur'an:9:38
"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:8:12
"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an:33:60
"Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."

The Islamic text are full of evil passages. Passages that are unfortunatly taken literally by many muslims.
Is it any wonder that jihadist like Major Hasan are so violent. Now we learn that he attended the same mosque as some of the 911 jihadist. Coincedence? Maybe, even if it is not many of you will continue to bury your heads in the sand.


Islam the Religion of Peace
(and a big stack of dead bodies)
 
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My friend, please spend some time reading what is expected from muslims. Total submission is what is expected of every muslim.

Qur'an:47:4
"So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making them captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom them based upon what benefits Islam until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Bukhari:V1B2N25
"Allah's Apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next best in goodness?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.'"

Qur'an:9:5
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:8:39
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."

Qur'an:8:65
"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Qur'an:9:38
"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:8:12
"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an:33:60
"Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."

The Islamic text are full of evil passages. Passages that are unfortunatly taken literally by many muslims.
Is it any wonder that jihadist like Major Hasan are so violent. Now we learn that he attended the same mosque as some of the 911 jihadist. Coincedence? Maybe, even if it is not many of you will continue to bury your heads in the sand.


Islam the Religion of Peace
(and a big stack of dead bodies)

Sweet, yet another cut and paste anti-Islam fear mongering post. Awesome. If you do it enough times it maybe Islam will go away.

Here is the thing, you can post that stuff all you want, but how do you account for the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims who don't kill infidels?

Just answer that for me and we'll continue.
 
How can anybody try to make excuses for this asshole? It says a lot about a person if they are trying to defend and even make an excuse for this scumbag! How dare people try to defend this man! It is not like there is any question he did it! HE KILLED them and some of the victims were injured so bad that they will live the rest of their lives with medical injuries! Shame on people who take up for this Monster!

Who in the **** is taking up for or defending this guy Kali? Are you actually reading our posts? Nobody is making excuses for anyone. We are all speculating about his motives, trying to figure out based upon the limited amount of info we have, what this shooting spree was all about.

You obviously think he was doing his religious duty. I don't.
 
Sweet, yet another cut and paste anti-Islam fear mongering post. Awesome. If you do it enough times it maybe Islam will go away.

Here is the thing, you can post that stuff all you want, but how do you account for the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims who don't kill infidels?

Just answer that for me and we'll continue.

If enough people understand Islam they will also understand why we must win the so called War on Terror.

Those who do not stand up and fight jihad for Allahs cause are not good muslims.

Its right there in the Qur'an. Read it for yourself.

Qur'an:9:38
"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."


Remember Islam requires total submission.
 
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I am usually all for rights but this bastard should have NONE! You hear me? NONE! Just put a frigging pillow case over his face right now!

You don't get it... if you create the precedence that HE HAS NO RIGHTS... then YOU have no rights...

I personally think he probably had issues for some time. The prolonged persecution by his fellow servicemen and women combined with his obvious opposition to the war and his impending deployment had taken a toll on him.

Now, I've never been in the millitary, so do correct me if I'm wrong. Now, it's my understanding that as you gain rank you are tested in ways that would weed out those that have 'anti-war' tendencies... right?? Now, was this his first deployment? Again, unless I'm mistaken, the millitary is not releasing his records... why would that be?

It's issues like this that raise the question, in my mind, if this guy might have been a vitim of 'mk-ultra' mind control experiments... I mean, it's been reported that he's going around telling people of his beliefs, that he is anti-war and about to be deployed... I don't know the extent of control over a person can be obtained with the processes developed in those experiments (since what has been declassified is mainly blacked out), but if he was programmed, and the effect wanted was to show a muslim extremist, he could be programmed to talk about such topics whenever possible, untill he is 'activated' and grabs his guns and accomplishes an objective without concern for his own well-being...

Think about it. His religion was obviously a very big part of his life, as was his military career. Some people take their religious devotion very seriously, like this guy. Career soldiers are also very serious about their service. Two very big parts of his life were in direct conflict with one another and he was powerless to do anything about it. My guess is severe depression. He was in a situation he had no escape from and there was no sign of relief. In a twisted way I think he probably believed the military had betrayed him by subjecting him to religious persecution and ignoring his pleas. Plus I think he was a coward and didn't want to deploy.

First, the 'coward' part... if his training showed him to be a coward, don't you think he would have been weeded out?? Anyway...
This paragraph leads me to my prime suggestion that this guy was most likely a prozac head... you say he had reason to be depressed... now a psychiatrist has the ability to write prescriptions... was this man on SSRI's?? (prozac / ritalin)

If he was that says alot about what may have triggered this... IT"S ON THE INSERT for these drugs that they can create psychopathic episodes in 'rare' instances... you cannot just 'stop' taking these drugs, but must be weaned off.

So, he might very well have had one of these episodes and just got his guns and started killing people...


I can very easily see him saying "**** it, my life is over, they hate me because of my religion, I'll show them...allah akbar." I think he wanted to be killed, not because he wanted to be a martyr for Islam but because he felt he hated what his life had become. He got to take revenge on the social group that was tormenting him but couldn't commit suicide by his own hand. Suicide by cop. Well that was the idea. He would get even till someone put him down.

There's also the outside chance that he really was a muslim extremist....
 
If enough people understand Islam they will also understand why we must win the so called War on Terror.

Those who do not stand up and fight jihad for Allahs cause are not good muslims.

Its right there in the Qur'an. Read it for yourself.

Qur'an:9:38
"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."


Remember Islam requires total submission.

This is ridiculous bull****. You do realize that "terrorism" isn't exclusive to Islam right? You do realize that there are hundreds of millions of good, devout Muslims who don't adhere to the ancient call to arms against infidels right? You do realize that don't you?

How do you account for them?
 
This is ridiculous bull****. You do realize that "terrorism" isn't exclusive to Islam right? You do realize that there are hundreds of millions of good, devout Muslims who don't adhere to the ancient call to arms against infidels right? You do realize that don't you?

How do you account for them?

They are not good muslims.
 
I am usually all for rights but this bastard should have NONE! You hear me? NONE! Just put a frigging pillow case over his face right now!

Ooooookay... :shock:

Now that you've got all that out of your system, are you ready to joins us back in the civilized world? We have laws out here, you know?
 

Ooooookay... :shock:

Now that you've got all that out of your system, are you ready to joins us back in the civilized world? We have laws out here, you know?

Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world. :(

Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.

Arcana, thanks for seeing and understaing that I am just venting and pissed. I am not sure I am done yet but thanks for seeing that.
 
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Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world. :(

Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.

Arcana, thanks for seeing and understaing that I am just venting and pissed. I am not sure I am done yet but thanks for seeing that.

When things seem how of control and when we are faced with this kind of violence is precisely the time to cling most tenaciously to the rule of law. You think it's bad now? If we sink to the criminal's level, then it will get infinitely worse.
 
Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world. :(

Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.

Go back to the time when the people with the biggest baddest weapons and armour made the rules??

Change society to something more like in say 'Mad Max'?? Is that better then having constitutional protections?? To know that you're safe in your home and that if someone tries to break in that there are cops who will come to your aid (most of the time too late, but thats besides the point)?? I much prefer that type of system then a total survival of the fittest kill or be killed society.
 
When things seem how of control and when we are faced with this kind of violence is precisely the time to cling most tenaciously to the rule of law. You think it's bad now? If we sink to the criminal's level, then it will get infinitely worse.

I wonder, if it were 'Crazy Radical Christians' would everyone be so eager to make peace? I think people are genuinely afraid of Islam and/or the backlash that comes with standing up to the wacko Mulsims.
 
Wow.

You sure swallowed the crazy Imams' rhetoric hook, line and sinker, didn't you? :lol:

which crazy Imams are you speaking of, there are so many to choose from.
 
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Well....Better safe and 'crazy' than accepting and dead

My point is most Muslims have moved past that crazy stuff a long time ago. If they hadn't, then we would be really ****ed. We're not. We're just wallowing in irrational paranoia. I don't walk down the street fearing that every man I meet is going to rape and kill me, even though the chances of that happening are greater than being blown up by a terrorist.
 
My point is most Muslims have moved past that crazy stuff a long time ago. If they hadn't, then we would be really ****ed. We're not. We're just wallowing in irrational paranoia. I don't walk down the street fearing that every man I meet is going to rape and kill me, even though the chances of that happening are greater than being blown up by a terrorist.

We are really ****ed get used to it. Why do you suppose so called "good muslims" are not in the streets protesting when those who have hijacked there so called "peacefull religion" commit acts of violent jihad? They seem to come out of the woodwork in protest whem some artist draws a picture of Muhammad.
 
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