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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

You don't seem to grasp the distinction between an organization and its members. The best way to understand this is not to copy-paste things, but to use your head.

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Porked again huh?

YOU don't seem to grasp who CAIR is, who founded it, who their leaders are/were.

Terrorists/Islamists as Ferris said.
 

No. It's only been a really RECENT event where Jews have been "at odds" with Muslims.


Infact, if you could recall from your history textbooks, millions of Jews fled from Europe to live in the middle east because they were getting butchered during the inquisitions......

Really? ? ? ? ?

Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

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According to Guillaume,
At the dawn of Islam the Jews dominated the economic life of the Hijaz [Arabia]. They held all the best land: at Medina they must have formed at least half of the population. ...
The prosperity of the Jews was due to their superior knowledge of agriculture and irrigation and their energy and industry..... Thus it can readily be seen that Jewish prosperity was a challenge to the Arabs, particularly the Quraysh at Mecca and ... [other Arab tribes] at Medina.​
The Prophet Muhammad himself was a member of the Quraysh tribe, which coveted the Jews' bounty, and
when the Muslims took up arms they treated the Jews with much greater severity than the Christians, who, until the end of the purely Arab Caliphate, were not badly treated.6​
One of the reasons for "this discrimination" against the Jews is what Guillaurne called "the Quran's scornful words" regarding the Jews. The Jews' development of land and culture was a prime source of booty in the Arabian desert peninsula.
Beginning at the time of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam8 from the expulsions, depredations, extortion, forced conversions or murder of Jewish Arabians settled in Medina to the mass slaughter of Jews at Khaibar
-- the precedent was established among Arab-Muslims to expropriate that which belonged to the Jews. Relations between the Prophet Muhammad and the Jews were "never ... easy":

They had irritated him by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet, by ridicule and by argument; and of course their economic supremacy ... was a standing irritant.
It appears that the first "instigation" by the Prophet Muhammad himself against the Jews........
Because the Jews preferred to retain their own beliefs.....

The Prophet Muhammad's pronouncement: "Two religions may not dwell together on the Arabian Peninsula."
This edict was carried out by Abu Bakr and Omar 1, the Prophet Muhammad's successors; the entire community of Jewish settlements throughout northern Arabia was systematically slaughtered. According to Bernard Lewis, "the extermination of the Jewish tribe of Quraiza was followed by "an attack on the Jewish oasis of Khaibar."......"

The late Israeli historian and former President, Itzhak Ben-Zvi, judged the "inhuman atrocities" of the Arabian communities as unparalleled since then:

"...the complete extermination of the two Arabian-Jewish tribes, the Nadhir and Kainuka' by the mass massacre of their men, women and children, was a tragedy for which no parallel can be found in Jewish history until our own day..."

The slaughter of Arabian Jews and the expropriation of their property became Allah's will. According to the Koran,

... some you slew and others you took captive. He (Allah] made you masters of their [the Jews'] land, their houses and their goods, and of yet another land [Khaibar] on which you had never set foot before. Truly, Allah has power over all things.

"....Thus the Jewish dhimmi evolved [the protected ones] -- the robbery of freedom and political independence compounding the extortion and eventual expropriation of property. "Tolerated" between onslaughts, expulsions, and pillages from the Arab Muslim conquest onward, the non-Muslim dhimmi-predominantly Jewish but Christian too -- provided the important source of religious revenue through the "infidel's" head tax. He became very quickly a convenient political scapegoat and whipping boy as well...

Most-2/3 at: Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"
 
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We are getting off topic again.
 
after Hundreds of posts strings 'stray' LEGITIMATELY.
ie, motive may be Islam, so that becomes a Legitimate sub-discussion.

Wanna be a mod .. apply for the position.
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Porked again huh?

YOU don't seem to grasp who CAIR is, who founded it, who their leaders are/were.

Terrorists/Islamists as Ferris said.

If you read my post and came away with that conclusion, there's nothing I can do for you.
 
No we don't, not at this point. You're assuming it was a factor.

As Tashah mentioned discussion of motive at this point is pointless.

I don't think we have enough information at this time to draw any substantive conclusions about his motivation(s). There exist tangential dots, but as of yet they do not interconnect to form a clear and cohesive picture. Conjecture at this time is both pointless and divisive.

From what I understand, it was a female soldier or police officer who put an end to his killing spree. Has this been confirmed?
 
Your right it does.............Not sure how many Japanese Americans killed the fellow soldiers though....A little difference I would say.........

Are you suggesting that we kick all muslim and/or middle eastern Americans out of the military?
Certainly you aren't suggesting that we round up all middle easter Americans and put then in internment camps until the so-called "War on Terror" is over.
Are you?
 
Are you suggesting that we kick all muslim and/or middle eastern Americans out of the military?
Certainly you aren't suggesting that we round up all middle easter Americans and put then in internment camps until the so-called "War on Terror" is over.
Are you?

I say we kick all white soldiers out of the military since after all Timothy McVeigh was white.
 
violent message outside a New York mosque



Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified. In their thinking, so were the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States -- and so are attacks on almost any American.

"Americans will always be a target "




This directly contradicts the statement issued by CAIR yesterday.
 
violent message outside a New York mosque
Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified. In their thinking, so were the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States -- and so are attacks on almost any American.

"Americans will always be a target "

This directly contradicts the statement issued by CAIR yesterday.

Not sure what your point is. Are you saying that because these two idiots stand on a street corner and say stupid ****, that somehow delegitimizes what CAIR said?

I also thought this article was hilarious for another reason:

They hand out fliers outside the gleaming 96th Street mosque, where up to 4,000 people visit every day. Inside the sleek, modernistic house of worship, Imam Shamsi Ali preaches against the violence that now sweeps many Muslim countries.

"What we try to do is reminding our people about the real Islam," Ali said. "We tell them what the real Islam is all about. Islam is about peace. Islam is about moderation. Islam is about friendship. Islam is opposed to any kind of hatred against anybody."

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The mosque has called police on Al-Khattab and Mohammed several times, and passers-by occasionally engage them in heated debates. Ali told CNN that ordinary Muslims are "disgusted with their behavior."

So there are 4,000 people who come each day to listen to a preacher who speaks out forcefully against violence while two assholes stand outside preaching hatred, and the article spends most of its time focusing on the two assholes.

Good to see they've got a sense of perspective.
 
I think we'll find out soon enough that this guy fits into a profile of people who do this kind of "mass rampage." He's a loner; fearful/anxious; depressed; paranoid; socially inept; narcissistic; smart but narrow minded. His religion will play a role, but only in the political sense of "us v. them."

I'm also going out on a limb and say we'll find out he has had women rejection issues, is fearful of women (so as someone said it is indeed ironic he was brought down by a woman), and probably extremely suppressed sexually.

NEXT!!!:mrgreen:
 
Well how do you draw the line between those who become extremists from reading the interwebz (A.Q.'s #1 recruiting tool) and those who are in the Kush mountains with The Base? Are both soldiers of AQ?

If evidence comes out in any way that the man is actually connected to an AQ cell, or has routine contact with AQ operaties, then I'd draw the line of being a terrorist.

If he's primarily just read websites, been in a few chat rooms, and has extreme views but has not actually had any actual interactions or any sort of operational attachment in any way with a terrorist organization, then I consider him a lone nut job.

I don't think Lone Nut Jobs can perform acts of war

Since at this point there's been no evidence of him attempting to make apply some type of political pressure or induce some kind of fear into the population and wasn't targeting civilians in general to make his point, I don't know if I'd call it an act of terrorism either.

Perhaps if evidence comes out it was clear he did this because of his opposition to the War on Terror and was going after civilians staff members initially in hopes of scaring people into not risking their lives even locally by joining the military, then maybe I'd say its a terrorist act.......or if its found to have been something tied to a terrorist organization and facilitated/assisted/planned/encouraged by them.
 
I think we'll find out soon enough that this guy fits into a profile of people who do this kind of "mass rampage." He's a loner; fearful/anxious; depressed; paranoid; socially inept; narcissistic; smart but narrow minded. His religion will play a role, but only in the political sense of "us v. them."

I'm also going out on a limb and say we'll find out he has had women rejection issues, is fearful of women (so as someone said it is indeed ironic he was brought down by a woman), and probably extremely suppressed sexually.

NEXT!!!:mrgreen:

A former imam said that Hasan asked him how to find a good Muslim wife who prayed 5 times a week, IIRC.
 
Are you suggesting that we kick all muslim and/or middle eastern Americans out of the military?
Certainly you aren't suggesting that we round up all middle easter Americans and put then in internment camps until the so-called "War on Terror" is over.
Are you?

You still have your head buried in the sand and don't believe we are in a "War on Terror"........After all that is happened and is still happening it is really scary that there are lefties out there like you that are still in a state of denial.........Sadly I guess the only thing that will get the attention of lefties like you is a nuclear cloud over La La land............
 
You still have your head buried in the sand and don't believe we are in a "War on Terror"........After all that is happened and is still happening it is really scary that there are lefties out there like you that are still in a state of denial.........Sadly I guess the only thing that will get the attention of lefties like you is a nuclear cloud over La La land............

So are you suggesting that Arab Americans be kicked out of the military and that all Arabs in America be rounded up and put in concerntration camps?

What exactly are you suggesting by your vague postings?
 
So are you suggesting that Arab Americans be kicked out of the military and that all Arabs in America be rounded up and put in concerntration camps?

What exactly are you suggesting by your vague postings?

I guess what I am saying is if I was in the Army in Iraq and in a FOX Hole I am not sure I would want some with the name of Hassan or Obama having my back...............
 
He was friggen crazy. Just like suicide bombers, Timothy Mc Veigh, abortion clinic bombers or Charles Manson.

He may be crazy. IMO most religous fanatics are. He is however a good muslim. He is following muslim text

Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making them captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
 
A former imam said that Hasan asked him how to find a good Muslim wife who prayed 5 times a week, IIRC.

That should be 5 times A DAY.
 
I guess what I am saying is if I was in the Army in Iraq and in a FOX Hole I am not sure I would want some with the name of Hassan or Obama having my back...............

Because you are afraid of that which you do not understand.
 
I don't believe McVeigh committed his crimes in the name of religion............

:rofl

As if that even matters. Ideology is ideology, regardless of whether or not it's religion or free state or social movements.
 
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