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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Oh, ok. Here's one, right here.



It's not his fault, it's the fault of, "those who have harrassed him...", and the fault of, "the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare..."

I rest my case.

That's not defending him. That's offering a plausible explanation of this cowards acts. I'm not defending him in the least. It's a counter to the "he did this cuz he's mooslim" theories that you and other of your ilk are so fond of. There could very well be factors, other than religion, that led this scumbag to kill these poor people. That's the point. Read. Read. Read. Understand. Understand.

You don't do this whole debate thing very much do you?
 
I agree with you on everything but the terrorist part. I think his emotional melt down is the predominant factor. He didn't need to use Islam as an excuse to kill, the excuse is irrelevant. He had snapped. Where I think Islam plays a factor is that it was a big part of his life, and as in most cases of mental break down and delusion, the elements of your life are dramatically affected. Perception is altered, reality warped.

There is no evidence he was a sane person who was simply fulfilling his religious duties to smite the unbelievers as some have forwarded. There is plenty of evidence that he was very much against the war and emotionally distraught. The emotional meltdown here is the predominant factor in my opinion, not his religion.



Oh I agree with you on all of this. The religion and the islamic extremism was a way for him to justify his barbarism in his head.

It was an excuse. Not a cause.


That said, I still call it terrorism, because he adopted the views of these terrorists, even if his reasoinings were not genuine.
 
Yeah, she must have skipped that day of Bible school. LOL

Bible school? o_O
But other than that true, I forgot he apparently got up and walked away.
 
You, perhaps, misunderstand?

Not at all. This is your classic fallback when called on your extremist rhetoric. "You just don't get me." Oh I get you alright, so do many others. You have a very vocal, anti-Islamic agenda. You have since you arrived on this forum. The only thing that differs you from mbig or apdst is that you attempt to cloak your extremism in churched up commentary. They are just out in the open about it.
 
I agree with you on everything but the terrorist part. I think his emotional melt down is the predominant factor. He didn't need to use Islam as an excuse to kill, the excuse is irrelevant. He had snapped. Where I think Islam plays a factor is that it was a big part of his life, and as in most cases of mental break down and delusion, the elements of your life are dramatically affected. Perception is altered, reality warped.

There is no evidence he was a sane person who was simply fulfilling his religious duties to smite the unbelievers as some have forwarded. There is plenty of evidence that he was very much against the war and emotionally distraught. The emotional meltdown here is the predominant factor in my opinion, not his religion.

You are making an argument that baffles me. Mental distress that might not be critically debilitating in and of itself combined with Islam means a deadly combination???
 
DONT SNAP YOU CRAZY MUSLIM! :2razz:

Oh she's gonna snap alright.

But not like this guy....

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You are making an argument that baffles me. Mental distress that might not be critically debilitating in and of itself combined with Islam means a deadly combination???

What???????
 
Okay.
So you tell me what you expect Moderate Muslims to do. In detail if you please.

Also include the strategies and tactics you would suggest we use to try and eradicate the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Something the West has failed to do.


is it up to the West? My understanding is that at every turn Pakistan has said they don't want any forces in their country, and that they would deal with it.

So now why is it the West's fault that Pakistan has largely failed to live up to their promises?


j-mac
 
Not at all. This is your classic fallback when called on your extremist rhetoric. "You just don't get me." Oh I get you alright, so do many others. You have a very vocal, anti-Islamic agenda. You have since you arrived on this forum. The only thing that differs you from mbig or apdst is that you attempt to cloak your extremism in churched up commentary. They are just out in the open about it.

You are mistaken. I just don't like you.
 
So, what are you saying? It's only a coincidence that Christians are being slaughtered by Muslim Militias?

It's far worse than Just 'Sudan' as I documented with other posts/links yesterday.
Another.

Islamic NATIONS Slaughter, Enslave Christians
December 16, 2001
by Tom Barrett

THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians.

(See "Religious Freedom in the Majority Islamic Countries" in the Resources section below.)

This persecution includes imposing the Death penalty for sharing the Christian faith with a Muslim; national laws prohibiting conversion from Islam to Christianity; destruction of churches; and murder or expulsion of Christian missionaries.
Even in the few predominantly Muslim countries where the government does not openly participate in the persecution, it ignores and even encourages illegal persecution by Muslims against Christians.

I spent hours going through the well-documented profiles of the 46 countries listed in the report mentioned above. Of these, 6 did not have significant Muslim populations. Of the 39 with a strong Muslim majority, only 7 could be considered to be either neutral or tolerant toward their Christian minorities. If the United States were to treat its roughly two million Muslims with one-tenth of the violence and humiliation that these Islamic nations heap on their Christians, the worldwide outcry would be immediate, and justified. Why, then, does the "Community of Nations," including the United States, turn a deaf ear to the cries of the persecuted Christians in Muslim nations?

The laws of most of these Islamic nations give lip service to religious freedom. Nothing could be further from the truth. In most of the countries I researched, the death penalty was common for converting from Islam to Christianity (or any other religion). Christians receive no protection from these governments when they are persecuted; indeed, most often the governments themselves are the persecutors. Children of Christians are stolen from their parents so that they can be raised as Muslims. Speaking about Christianity to a Muslim can result in beatings, long prison sentences and even death......."

ConservativeTruth.org: Islamic Nations Slaughter, Enslave Christians - Tom Barrett, 12-16-01
 
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is it up to the West? My understanding is that at every turn Pakistan has said they don't want any forces in their country, and that they would deal with it.

So now why is it the West's fault that Pakistan has largely failed to live up to their promises?


j-mac

Pakistan has been fighting the terrorists for a while.
 
Pakistan has been fighting the terrorists for a while.

Agreed, but in all fairness they could have been more aggressive about it. They had the capacity to do so. But they are trying.
 
Everyone please confine your comments to Hasan and the shooting yesterday.
 
Everyone please confine your comments to Hasan and the shooting yesterday.

Well what else can we say on this topic that hasn't already been said in the previous 67 pages?
 
Well what else can we say on this topic that hasn't already been said in the previous 67 pages?

Discuss Pakistan and the Sudan and Islam in general in another thread.
 
Everyone please confine your comments to Hasan and the shooting yesterday.

Thank you Hall Monitor. Perhaps you should cut out the "praise allah" and "jihad" comments because it's comments like those that are leading the discussion astray.
 
Thank you Hall Monitor. Perhaps you should cut out the "praise allah" and "jihad" comments because it's comments like those that are leading the discussion astray.

They have a direct connection to Hasan.
 
From a poster on PF:

the Jihadists which killed people in fort Hood seems to had some attention from the autorities.

Troubling portrait emerges of Army psychiatrist suspected in rampage at Fort Hood, Texas | StarTribune.com

read also.

Fort Hood shooter a devout, observant Muslim
washingtonpost.com


Fort Hood jihad shooter was disciplined for Islamic proselytizing
Massacre Leaves 13 Dead At Fort Hood : NPR


Fort Hood jihad shooter handed out Korans the morning of his attack
Police raid shooting suspect's Killeen apartment


"A person behind counter stood up, and he said, 'Allah Akbar!' And just opened up on everybody"


ksl.com - Fort Hood soldier describes horrific scene to family in Utah


This is what islamic Immigration leads to. Homegrown jihadists fresh from the US of A
The poster seems to have added the word 'Jihad' himself to two of the headlines.
Nonetheless, they are telling.

If you're Not a Muslim and you hear "Allah Akhbar".... DUCK!
 
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Mistaken again.

Not at all. You've presented a case against Islam in general, you're using this man simply as an example, because he's Muslim. Your focus here is not the shooter, it's your anti-Islamic agenda. Your posts have been very obvious.

Your agenda is very clear. You seem dismissive of possible other factors, such as emotional instability (of which there is clearly information available that leads reasonable people to see this was obviously a major contributor), choosing to focus on Islam as the culprit here. Islam made him do it, that's your angle.
 
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