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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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could someone tell me why this is terrorism and not a mass murder?

if this was done by a christian, or an athiest, who disagreed with the war and us being over there would it be a "terrorist" act.

Sorry, I've never seen any definition of a terrorist act as "Any murder done by a muslim"

Why is this terrorism?

It didn't seem intended by anything that's came out so far to send a political message through fear. It wasn't targetting civilians. There's been zero evidence thus far of being tied to any actual terrorist groups.

Why is this terrorism?
 
Yeah it isn't widespread. If Islam truly advocated this type of behavior it would be FAR more widespread than it is now. Islam is one of the largest religions in the world. A crowd of people protesting cartoons is hardly a majority.


That's inaccurate, when you consider that every Muslim nation in the world has it's very own hometown Islamic terrorist chapter. Some have multiple chapters.

Should I post vids of the terrorist mouse on Palestinian TV?
 
I'm amazed that there are folks that are actually trying to defend this clown.

Find me quotes from three people in this thread (since you say "folks" plural) actually DEFENDING what he has done and I will change my icon to one like SgtRocks and put support for exiling muslims from the military in my sig for a month.
 
Also...

could someone tell me why this is terrorism and not a mass murder?

if this was done by a christian, or an athiest, who disagreed with the war and us being over there would it be a "terrorist" act.

Sorry, I've never seen any definition of a terrorist act as "Any murder done by a muslim"

Why is this terrorism?

It didn't seem intended by anything that's came out so far to send a political message through fear. It wasn't targetting civilians. There's been zero evidence thus far of being tied to any actual terrorist groups.

Why is this terrorism?

The word "terrorism" gets thrown around far too much.
 
Whose fault was it when Christians lived in uncivilized society and committed horrible acts? It's not really anyone's fault. It's also not really right to blame the actions of a minority of extremists on an entire religion.

Christians don't do that, anymore. Don't know if you've noticed.



Who is defending him? Show me one post where someone defended this asshole. Just because people aren't frothing at the mouth and blaming Islam for his actions doesn't mean that they are defending him. :roll:


You know as well as I do that several people are blaming it on PTSD.
 
That's inaccurate, when you consider that every Muslim nation in the world has it's very own hometown Islamic terrorist chapter. Some have multiple chapters.

Should I post vids of the terrorist mouse on Palestinian TV?

If Islam truly advocated this behavior, we would probably all be Muslim right now. You obviously have no idea how big the religion is. What you've seen is only the tip of the iceberg. Trust me, if Islam advocated this type of behavior and it was that widespread, you would know.
 
Also...

could someone tell me why this is terrorism and not a mass murder?

if this was done by a christian, or an athiest, who disagreed with the war and us being over there would it be a "terrorist" act.

Sorry, I've never seen any definition of a terrorist act as "Any murder done by a muslim"

Why is this terrorism?

It didn't seem intended by anything that's came out so far to send a political message through fear. It wasn't targetting civilians. There's been zero evidence thus far of being tied to any actual terrorist groups.

Why is this terrorism?





Simple, he took on the cause of the enemy who commits terrorist acts.


Do I believe he was sincere and not rationalizing? Nah see my previous post.

However, he hit all the marks, and took up the cause whether it was for genuine or for superficial excuse making for his homicidal breakdown, it, is, indeed, terrorism to me.
 
Here's the problem as you get on your high horse on it.

Those people are wrong. And pointing that out is fine.

But you sit in this thread and don't say a thing, and in part join in, on doing the exact same type of thing to muslims.

Over generalizing and making ludicrous assumptions when it comes to Christians immedietely following an act is stupid. So too is over generalizing and making ludicrous assumptions when it comes to Muslims immedietely following an act.

You can't sit here and get on your high horse bitching and moaning about people doing it in the past when you're sitting by silently, and in parts joining in, with people doing that very same thing now.

You whine about how some of those doing it then were now arguing against people doing it to Muslims, while ignore that those arguing against it then are now doing it to Muslims.

Don't bitch about double standards when you're participating in the mirror image of it.

It was stupid then, its stupid now, liberal conservative centrist independent muslim athiest christian, or whatever. Its dumb.

Yeah, and those of you that are your pulpit, preaching to me are never around when the same thing is done to others.
 
If Islam truly advocated this behavior, we would probably all be Muslim right now. You obviously have no idea how big the religion is. What you've seen is only the tip of the iceberg. Trust me, if Islam advocated this type of behavior and it was that widespread, you would know.

How many people have been forced to become Muslim over the past fourteen-hundred years?
 
Christians don't do that, anymore. Don't know if you've noticed.

There aren't Christian extremists still? :doh

And no, they may not engage in behavior like that in huge numbers anymore because they now live in a more civilized society, like I said earlier.

You know as well as I do that several people are blaming it on PTSD.

So what? How is that defending his actions? In fact, from what I heard it was the media who put that idea out there. Even if it was PTSD, that doesn't justify anything.
 
How many people have been forced to become Muslim over the past fourteen-hundred years?

:rofl Seriously, that's the timeline you are working with? How many people have been forced to become Christian over the past fourteen-hundred years?

Like I said, you have no idea what life would be like if a majority of Islam advocated this type of behavior. We would all probably be Muslim.
 
How many people have been forced to become Muslim over the past fourteen-hundred years?

We are so not going to play this game.

Do you have anything to say of value apart from pointing out violent bits of Islam's history?
 
Who has defended him? Please link the post.

Oh, ok. Here's one, right here.

Originally Posted by Lerxst
OORRRRRRRRR....it could boil down to a mentally imbalanced individual lashing out at those who have harassed him and the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare by sending him to fight a war that he is against.

It's not his fault, it's the fault of, "those who have harrassed him...", and the fault of, "the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare..."

I rest my case.
 
We are so not going to play this game.

Do you have anything to say of value apart from pointing out violent bits of Islam's history?

Violent, "bits"? Islam's entire history is based on violence.

I recall all the times since 9/11 people saying that the rest of us need to educated about Islam. I don't think is us that needs to be educated.
 
No, I don't think so. Your cousin isn't here posting. I have several Muslim friends and my cousin and her husband are Muslim. My late uncle was Muslim. As long as you make these absurdly insulting comments you do about Muslims, I'll show you the same treatment.

Deal with it.

What comment of mine was absurdly insulting about Muslims?
 
It's not his fault, it's the fault of, "those who have harrassed him...", and the fault of, "the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare..."

I rest my case.

I fail to see how that constitutes as defending the guy. It's merely pointing out a possible reason for his actions just as the people who are immediately pointing fingers at Islam have done. Though, I must say, earlier you said "folks" have been doing this. Is that's the only example you could find?
 
:rofl Seriously, that's the timeline you are working with? How many people have been forced to become Christian over the past fourteen-hundred years?

How bout you give us a comparitive study?
 
Yeah, and those of you that are your pulpit, preaching to me are never around when the same thing is done to others.

The last thread like what you're talking about I can remember was the one about the Census worker, where I was in there ROUTINELY saying you can't jump to conclusions that the tea parties caused it, that it was some religious nut job, or conservatives and you can't blame Beck or Rush for it.

Please link me to the thread you're specifically talking about. Good chance I was around in it.

Simple, he took on the cause of the enemy who commits terrorist acts.

Do I believe he was sincere and not rationalizing? Nah see my previous post.

However, he hit all the marks, and took up the cause whether it was for genuine or for superficial excuse making for his homicidal breakdown, it, is, indeed, terrorism to me.

See, this is one of the issues with this war. Nothing makes sense. Case in point....

You're saying now that anyone that takes a criminal action for the same cause of the enemy is not doing a criminal act, or an act of war, but is doing a terrorist act.

So therefore all those people setting off IED's or that have attacked our embassy in Iraq after the invasion are not acts of war but terrorist acts.

But when I point out that we didn't have any attacks on our land from 1993 to 2001 I get told that the embassy bombings count as "our land", but they don't count when they've happened in the past 8 years because those aren't terrorist acts but actions of war.

It seems people are wanting it both ways, being able to call anything terrorism or not terrorism how it suits them for the argument their making.

So what you're saying is that anyone that commits a criminal act because they agree with the enemy, they're a terrorist?

So a kid spray painting "Stop this illegal war", which is a belief the terrorists share, is a terrorist cause he's taking up their cause? Yes, that's going to an extreme, but you've given me no other real criteria to go off of.

Sorry, unless he's actually found to be CONNECTED to that group in some way shape or form, to me this is an obvious and clear act of MASS MURDER....just like columbine, or the museum shootings, or all other mass shootings in recent memory.

Unless there comes out some evidence he's connected to a terrorist cell, has some things in place after that was hoping to send a political message, or he was specifically targetting civilians on the base to inspire fear in them, there's nothing here that shows me "terrorism".

(now i wait to see if someone calls me an "apologist", cause you know, down playing "terrorism" as mass murder is like you're just calling it jay walking :roll: ;) )
 
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Violent, "bits"? Islam's entire history is based on violence.

I recall all the times since 9/11 people saying that the rest of us need to educated about Islam. I don't think is us that needs to be educated.

When you make sweeping generalizations about an entire religion based on the violence committed by the minority of extremists, I'd say you actually do need to be educated.
 
Violent, "bits"? Islam's entire history is based on violence.

I recall all the times since 9/11 people saying that the rest of us need to educated about Islam. I don't think is us that needs to be educated.

Lol
Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago :roll:
 
When you make sweeping generalizations about an entire religion based on the violence committed by the minority of extremists, I'd say you actually do need to be educated.

You would think that with that many Muslims in the world, they could quell the violence within their own reigion.
 
How bout you give us a comparitive study?

And what exactly would that prove? The point is that both religions have engaged in extremist behavior in the past and you can't accurately judge a whole religion on this stuff whether it be Christianity or Islam.

If you want to see a comparative study, look one up yourself.
 
You're not defending Islam, so you're insulting Muslims.

Nonsense.

Assuming all Muslims are going to snap just because they follow Islam and the likelihood of them being disloyal is there because of that is insulting.
Assuming we are all terrorist and/or support them is insulting.
 
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