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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Orius said:
I know a great deal about what goes on beyond our shores from hands on experience, but I'm a civilian and I've never served as a soldier. You can have worldly experience that doesn't require you to have served.
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You are correct. But just how common do you think you are for Americans?

How many Americans ever fed the starving or secured the feeding of them? I'm not talking about the bum down the street. I'm talking about a society? How many have seen true evil in this world? Moron philosophers of ancient Rome may have been recorded as stating that there is no such thing as "evil," but my eyes have proven them full of philosophical ****.


For the vast prescription of what I speak of, it requires deployed military service in either the Marine Corps, the Green Navy, or the Army.

And when I state that this piece of garbage (my enemy, which is supposed to be America's enemy) has behaved absolutely in accordance to what an Islamic extremists would be proud about, you can take that to the bank. This man did not just wake up on the wrong side of the bed.
 
mbig said:
So you're in denial or tried to pre-spin a link which is COUNTER to all your subsequent posts.
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Please explain how this is "counter to all my subsequent posts."

As I said hours ago, if this information is true, it's probable that his religion played a part in all this. However, given the amount of incorrect information that has been tossed around today, I'm reserving judgment until we know more. I'm not sure how my position has changed.

What I did disagree with is the ridiculous attempt by you, David Duke, tex, etc. to draw sweeping conclusions about all Muslims based on the actions of this individual. I don't think there's any more information about this guy that's going to change that.

...and of course I gutted you on the Link for the hundreds of deaths (intentional AND International, LOL) by Islam.. and another post in my own words doing the same.
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Not particularly, as explained here:

However, I'm not sure that makes your statement any less false. First, it suffers from the obvious flaw involved in lumping every murder by someone who is a Muslim under the heading "deaths caused by Islam." Plenty of those incidents are driven by things other than religion. Second, if you define categories broadly enough, there are other things that cause more violent deaths. The drug trade was responsible for almost 6,000 deaths in Mexico alone in 2008.
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I posted DOCUMENTATION (2 links, one on demand, and fact filled post of my own) for my claims on Islam.

You couldn't rebut them.. nor could anyone.

Islam DOES have an inordinate problem with Violence and literalism to a book of the same.
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There is a convience store video on the news that shows the shooter this morning shopping in traditional muslim garb. White pants, long white shirt past his knees and the muslim hat thing.

Not that it means anything...but the video and the timing of it doesn't look so good.
 
goldendog said:
There is a convience store video on the news that shows the shooter this morning shopping in traditional muslim garb. White pants, long white shirt past his knees and the muslim hat thing.

Not that it means anything...but the video and the timing of it doesn't look so good.
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Maybe he was simply angry that his robe had a coffee stain on it so he slaughtered as many of his fellow soldiers as possible.
 
It's interesting that War has always been the main reason why people who've actually done nothing wrong are judged, harassed . . . packed up and shipped out.

As if the many have control over the few or something. As if senseless violent acts of a few represent the true intents of the many.
Obviously that's not so or we wouldn't be bunking up in the M.E. still fighting it out.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
As if the many have control over the few or something....
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Until the many decide to deal with their "few," they leave outsiders no choice.

Nobody invaded Afghanistan or Iraq until after 9/11. Before 9/11, the Tali-ban was very comfortable and without pressure from the "many." And Al-Queda? - A guest of Bashirs as he slaughtered the Sudanese non-Arabs. The "few" only seem to care when the west fights back and deals with home grown problems they refuse or are too scared to deal with.
 
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GySgt said:
Maybe he was simply angry that his robe had a coffee stain on it so he slaughtered as many of his fellow soldiers as possible.
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NYT: Suspect ?mortified? about deployment - The New York Times- msnbc.com

updated 7:43 p.m. PT, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009
WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.


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Apparently coffee stains were not his only anger issues.
I think it would really suck to serve your country while a bunch of your supposed commrads are harassing you for your religious choices.
 
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GySgt said:
Until the many decide to deal with their "few," they leave outsiders no choice.

Nobody invaded Afghanistan or Iraq until after 9/11. Before 9/11, the Tali-ban was very comfortable and without pressure from the "many." And Al-Queda? - A guest of Bashirs as he slaughtered the Sudanese non-Arabs. The "few" only seem to care when the west fights back and deals with home grown problems they refuse or are too scared to deal with.
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"Few" - the ones within a larger identity of people who are the cause of unrest. (like Hasan)
"Many" the remainders in the group who never stirred a problem.

I was referring to Muslims within the US - not overseas. They're affected by the actions of all the terrorists, etc, because they're all identified by race or creed.
Because they ("many" Muslims) are not *the* law enforcement or military of our country they're not suppose to be the ones to deal with it - yet they take the blow from someone else's issues.
 
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Lerxst said:
Who ignored it? What is it you have proven with this? Did this gunman commit suicide? Did he martyr himself?

Please, give us some more insight here.
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Now they are saying he is still alive, and will not die from his wounds
 
goldendog said:
NYT: Suspect ?mortified? about deployment - The New York Times- msnbc.com

updated 7:43 p.m. PT, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009
WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.


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Apparently coffee stains were not is only anger issues.
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Immigrant parents of Palestine have quite an impact about the Israeli issue on their children (Palestinian children are encouraged to walk on the Star of David in their schools). Being "made fun of" is a pathetic excuse. He had deep torn feelings about fighting in a war where Muslims were the enemy. Perhaps he got far more pressured harassment from his parents post 9/11.

So this is to go down as a "School shooting" where the nerd had a bully problem? All other factors are to be shoved as far away as possible....until the next time....again? This is going to have so much media BS on this.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Wow. Just found out that a long time childhood friend is actually stationed at Fort Hood but happens to be deployed to Iraq currently. What a odd blessing in disguise.
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Hell, I'd rather die in combat than get ambushed by some psycho. These Soldiers got cheated...real bad.
 
GySgt said:
Immigrant parents of Palestine have quite an impact about the Israeli issue on their children (Palestinian children are encouraged to walk on the Star of David in their schools). Being "made fun of" is a pathetic excuse. He had deep torn feelings about fighting in a war where Muslims were the enemy. Perhaps he got far more pressured harassment from his parents post 9/11.

So this is to go down as a "School shooting" where the nerd had a bully problem? All other factors are to be shoved as far away as possible....until the next time....again? This is going to have so much media BS on this.
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One factor was he was serving in the US miltary and his own commrads were harrassing him for his religious choices...It Kinda begs the question...What is the source of the rhetoric that these harrassing soldiers were soaking up that would lead to a enviorment allowing such harrassment?
 
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RightinNYC said:
Tens of millions of people, including every news organization on the planet.

The fact that twitter is primarily used by angsty hipsters who like to complain doesn't change the fact that in breaking news situations, its absolutely unmatched for its ability to provide you with links to what's going on. I don't plan on signing up anytime soon, but whenever anything happens that I want information about immediately (whether its news like this or an injury to someone on my fantasy team), it's always on twitter faster than anyplace else.
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Agree.

Twitter showed that no government oppression would go unnoticed by the world. I think that's pretty awesome.


I’m talking about Iran, in case anyone was wondering...
 
goldendog said:
One factor was he was serving in the US miltary and his own commrads were harrassing him for his religious choices...
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So he murders as many as possible to prove them right. Well, I guess case is solved. I stated before that this would be fine tuned to something people could rationally understand and it appears to be going in that direction. He was merely bullied. The next incident will undoubtedly have another rational explanation. Anything but the politically incorrect accurate one.
 
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mbig said:
I posted DOCUMENTATION (2 links, one on demand, and fact filled post of my own) for my claims on Islam.

You couldn't rebut them.. nor could anyone.
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There's nothing to "rebut" because your "documentation" doesn't prove what you claim, for reasons that have already been explained to you.

Islam DOES have an inordinate problem with Violence...
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You could say the same about poor people, minorities, drug dealers, etc.

Agent Ferris said:
pfft way to use the words of CAIR to prove your point, fyi CAIR are unindicted terrorist co-conspirators.
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Please explain how "CAIR are [sic] unindicted terrorist co-conspirators." The whole organization? Some members? Co-conspirators in what? Why weren't they indicted?
 
GySgt said:
So he murders as many as possible to prove them right. Well, I guess case is solved. I stated before that this would be fine tuned to something people could rationally understand it appears to be going in that direction. He was merely bullied. The next incident will undoubtedly have another rational explanation. Anything but the politically incorrect accurate one.
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I edited the above post...by the way.
 
GySgt said:
Immigrant parents of Palestine have quite an impact about the Israeli issue on their children (Palestinian children are encouraged to walk on the Star of David in their schools). Being "made fun of" is a pathetic excuse. He had deep torn feelings about fighting in a war where Muslims were the enemy. Perhaps he got far more pressured harassment from his parents post 9/11.

So this is to go down as a "School shooting" where the nerd had a bully problem? All other factors are to be shoved as far away as possible....until the next time....again? This is going to have so much media BS on this.
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Could not agree more.

"Being made fun of" is definitely a pathetic excuse; he was also a psychiatrist and is supposed to be more aware of how to deal with such responses from others.

There is something very wrong with the fact he was allowed to stay in the military when months ago his postings on the internet were discovered, where he was found to be cheering radical Islam in other troop attacks, and clearly voicing anti-American sentiment.

The limp-wristed left wants to turn this into a "must defend the minority" campaign about being mean to Muslims. That's not the point. The real issue is that American lives are lost because of "political correctness" and being afraid to offend those who hate America.
 
1069 said:
Well, he's not an American black man who adopted an Islamic name, which was everyone's first idea when his name was released.
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Not sure why anyone would jump to that conclusion. Black converts to Islam don't usually join the military.
 
MC.no.spin said:
There is something very wrong with the fact he was allowed to stay in the military when months ago his postings on the internet were discovered...
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It actually takes a lot to boot somebody from the military anymore. It takes months and months to get rid of a Private who can't figure out how to obey the simplest order. A careerist Major? Forget about it.
 
Ethereal said:
Not sure why anyone would jump to that conclusion. Black converts to Islam don't usually join the military.
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Don't they usually join society when released from prison? <----- Oh, that was a good one.
 
Navy Pride said:
What does a Saudi look like compared to someone else born in the middle east? Just curious......
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I could explain it to you but I'm not sure if you're actually interested in the answer.
 
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