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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

The response from CAIR


Alleged shooter's name prompts response from American Muslims

The CAIR statement said: "No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer Army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Quite decent of them to issue that statement.






It should be noted the shooter now has a video out wearing his Muslim wudhu ritual cleansing before suicide garb. He was at a convenience store grabbing a drink.


'Muslim Mafia' Reveals Plans of Radical Islam Through CAIR, Other Groups, to Take Over 'North America' -- 'If It Takes 100 Years'



"Chris Gaubatz infiltrated the national headquarters of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), as an intern named David Marshall pretending to be a devoted convert to Islam. He saved thousands of pages of CAIR documents from the shredder -- documents that, according to authors P. David Gaubatz -- Chris' father -- and Paul Sperry show CAIR to be part of the Muslim Brotherhood-controlled "Muslim Mafia" that seeks to turn the U.S. into an Islamic nation ruled by Shariah law rather than the Constitution.
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mbig said:
A ContentLESS post except for innuendo.
You have a problem with a post.. debate it.

If not- live up to what you wasted a post saying-- you'll reserve comment Until you do have something to say.
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Hi pot, meet kettle. Live by your own words.

Many posts in this thread have a lot of "content" but nothing substantial. Such as yours. You are in a thread about a tragic mass murder on a U.S. military base and you are debating the evils of Islam before you know a damned thing about the motives of the shooter. You're taking this opportunity to parade your anti-Islam bias. Why don't you talk about those Muslims who aren't doing these kinds of things? That wouldn't quite fit your agenda though, would it?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

There you go, content.
 
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I has just woken up and watched the report on the BBC, this person was deranged, my thoughts are for the victims and their families.
 
Lerxst said:
Hi pot, meet kettle. Live by your own words.

Many posts in this thread have a lot of "content" but nothing substantial. Such as yours. You are in a thread about a tragic mass murder on a U.S. military base and you are debating the evils of Islam before you know a damned thing about the motives of the shooter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

There you go, content.
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I concur.....
 
Lerxst said:
Hi pot, meet kettle. Live by your own words.

Many posts in this thread have a lot of "content" but nothing substantial. Such as yours. You are in a thread about a tragic mass murder on a U.S. military base and you are debating the evils of Islam before you know a damned thing about the motives of the shooter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

There you go, content.
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Except for my response to your innuendo TRASH-- my posts, AS ALWAYS, are Chock Full of facts.
A very interesting one on the last page and another in reposne to Archenemy on this page.

You have NO CONTENT here-- just the PC police.
 
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mbig said:
Except for my response to your innuendo TRASH-- my posts, AS ALWAYS, are Chock Full of facts.
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Got a link for this fact?

mbig said:

And I might the very UN-PC, hundreds die Every week from Mauritania to Mindinao, of the World's largest cause of intentional violent death.. Islam.
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mbig said:
Except for my response to your innuendo TRASH-- my posts, AS ALWAYS, are Chock Full of facts.

You have NO CONTENT here-- just the PC police.
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So what? You have facts? Your facts are ****ing irrelevant to this event, your facts are nothing more than your tired rehashing of you anti-Islamic bias. There is nothing PC about asking people to withhold their bull**** rhetoric and wait for more detail before they begin their soap boxing.
 
RightinNYC said:
Got a link for this fact?
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[Unlike you And Lerxst] I ALWAYS have Links for my Facts.

Let's START with this one-- for last week (month, Year, etc)

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World
The ReligionofPeace.com.. who actually counts.


Weekly Jihad Report
Oct 24 - Oct 30

Jihad Attacks: 32

Dead Bodies: 348
Critically Injured: 801


Monthly Jihad Report
October 2009

Jihad Attacks: 156
Countries: 15
Religions: 5

Dead Bodies: 909
Critically Injured: 2024
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and SO many more...

That's THREE Haymaker Links and nothing but Empty Cheap shots in return.
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texmaster said:
I go by their deeds not their words. You should try it.
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Really? So how many Muslims do you perosnally know who commit terrorist acts or positively support terrorism? I'd love to debate "their deeds" vs. those Muslims that never lift a finger to harm anyone.

But I digress and that is for another thread.
 
mbig said:
[Unlike you And Lerxst] I ALWAYS have Links for my Facts.

Let's START with this one-- for last week (month, Year, etc)

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World



and SO many more...

That's THREE Haymaker Links and nothing but Empty Cheapshots in return.
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Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47


"Rukhsana Kausar, 21, was with her parents and brother in Jammu and Kashmir when three gunmen, believed to be Pakistani militants, forced their way in and demanded food and beds for the night.

His daughter was hiding under a bed when she heard him crying as the gunmen thrashed him with sticks. According to police, she ran towards her father’s attacker and struck him with an axe. As he collapsed, she snatched his AK47 and shot him dead.

She also shot and wounded another militant as he made his escape. "




I am pretty sure no one saw that one coming. Wow.
 
akyron said:
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47


"Rukhsana Kausar, 21, was with her parents and brother in Jammu and Kashmir when three gunmen, believed to be Pakistani militants, forced their way in and demanded food and beds for the night.

His daughter was hiding under a bed when she heard him crying as the gunmen thrashed him with sticks. According to police, she ran towards her father’s attacker and struck him with an axe. As he collapsed, she snatched his AK47 and shot him dead.

She also shot and wounded another militant as he made his escape. "




I am pretty sure no one saw that one coming. Wow.
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Thats pretty bad ass.
 
mbig said:
[Unlike you And Lerxst] I ALWAYS have Links for my Facts.

Let's START with this one-- for last week (month, Year, etc)

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World



and SO many more...

That's THREE Haymaker Links and nothing but Empty Cheapshots in return.
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What kind of argument do you think you're making here? You have "facts." They aren't relevant though? Here I have a fact too....the Australian Box Jellyfish is one of the most poisonous marine creatures on the planet. Here's my link. Just like yours...irrelevant and all.

Let's be clear about something. You don't know me, you've never debated me. For you to make a statement like "unlike you and Lerxst." You don't have nearly enough history debating me to make that comment and sound intelligent. If I ever decide to take you to task over your nonsense it will be in the ME forum and I promise you I'll cut your bull**** into little bitty, easy to swallow chunks and force feed it to you.

This place has turned into amateur hour or something.
 
Lerxst said:
What kind of argument do you think you're making here? You have "facts." They aren't relevant though? Here I have a fact too....the Australian Box Jellyfish is one of the most poisonous marine creatures on the planet. Here's my link. Just like yours...irrelevant and all.

Let's be clear about something. You don't know me, you've never debated me. For you to make a statement like "unlike you and Lerxst." You don't have nearly enough history debating me to make that comment and sound intelligent. If I ever decide to take you to task over your nonsense it will be in the ME forum and I promise you I'll cut your bull**** into little bitty, easy to swallow chunks and force feed it to you.

This place has turned into amateur hour or something.
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I was answering/Stuffing RightinNYC..

He was just wrong. You, OTOH, say NOTHING and are just Emptily argumentative here.
A trolling non-contributor.

Post ON TOPIC or face the consequences of a very justified abuse report.
 
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RightinNYC said:
How many is large? [terrorist sympathizers] Earlier you said most. That was obviously ****ing false, so how about you put up an actual number? ****, you can even throw out a range - 5%, 10%, 30%...what is it?
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Please contact your bureau of mind police thought statistics for more information.
 
Lerxst said:
You'll have to forgive me if I choose to wait for some more facts before I take the shooters name and go on some ignorant posting spree about the evil Muslims. Seriously, some of you should think before you post.
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So.....of all the overwhelmingly non-Muslim names in the U.S. Army, a man named Malik Nadal Hasan (not Cecil Jefferson) did the killing and you get nothing. We have a precedence of this, but forget about that. The man had problems with not only the war in Iraq, which most cynical people can get behind and support, but also in Afghanistan, which begs the question of what he thought about 9/11.

But holding out for more facts is perfectly practical. After all, you are a court of law and obvious smack-in-your-face probabilities won't suffice.

By the way, we know that he was being investigated for possible internet postings that compared the U.S. man who lanuches himself on a hand grenade (killing himself) to save his comrades to a suicide bomber (who kills himself) who murders to protect his people. Ralph Peters wrote on this very real Islamic fanatic belief in suicide bombings.



But I'm sure its all just one huge, big coincidence.
 
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mbig said:
[Unlike you And Lerxst] I ALWAYS have Links for my Facts.

Let's START with this one-- for last week (month, Year, etc)

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World
The ReligionofPeace.com.. who actually counts.

and SO many more...

That's THREE Haymaker Links and nothing but Empty Cheap shots in return.
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Even if we presume to accept every single incident listen on that site as fact, that doesn't quite prove what you're claiming.

You said:

hundreds die Every week from Mauritania to Mindinao, of the World's largest cause of intentional violent death.. Islam.
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What constitutes "international violent death"? Your list includes things like an attack by one Muslim Pakistani on another. How does that possibly qualify? If one gang member in the bronx shoots someone from a rival gang, is that an "international violent death"?

If you actually limited the figures to international deaths (i.e. deaths resulting from the actions of people from foreign nations), I'd wager the numbers would be much, much lower. If I had to guess, I'd say the largest cause of "international violent death" is probably the drug trade.
 
RightinNYC said:
Even if we presume to accept every single incident listen on that site as fact, that doesn't quite prove what you're claiming.

You said:

What constitutes "international violent death"? Your list includes things like an attack by one Muslim Pakistani on another. How does that possibly qualify? If one gang member in the bronx shoots someone from a rival gang, is that an "international violent death"?

If you actually limited the figures to international deaths (i.e. deaths resulting from the actions of people from foreign nations), I'd wager the numbers would be much, much lower. If I had to guess, I'd say the largest cause of "international violent death" is probably the drug trade.
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I said "Intentional" violent death" Not "international".. Learn English Duh!

and/but did say "from Mauritania to Mindinao"... the site describes 15 countries in just the month of October.

You got a\the requested link and there are of course more.

Not very "right" are we.. either in fact nor politics for that matter.
More like "LeftinNYC'
NEXT.
 
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GySgt said:
So.....of all the overwhelmingly non-Muslim names in the U.S. Army, a man named Malik Nadal Hasan (not Cecil Jefferson) did the killing and you get nothing. We have a precedence of this, but forget about that. The man had problems with not only the war in Iraq, which most cynical people can get behind and support, but also in Afghanistan, which begs the question of what he thought about 9/11.

But holding out for more facts is perfectly practical. After all, you are a court of law and obvious smack-in-your-face probabilities won't suffice.
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Do you know for a fact this man committed these murders because of his Muslim faith? I spent years investigating motives of people who commit crimes. I got into the habit of taking facts into account, not precedents or other non-fact based profiling.

Unlike some here, I'm not making a rush to judgment on what the real motive behind this mans acts were based upon his name or religion. There are plenty of murders committed by self-proclaimed Christians who acted out because something they read in the Bible or believed God told them to do. Usually we write those folks off as mentally disturbed. But when it's a guy with an Arabic sounding name all of sudden the anti-Islamic goon squad starts squawking about the perils of the Muslim nation.

That's my problem here. I'm not saying that this guy wasn't motivated by his beliefs...what I'm saying is nobody here knows for sure, but that doesn't stop them from beginning their assault on Islam.

Of course my logic is nothing more than PC apologizing or some stupid ****.
 
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mbig said:
I said "Intentional" violent death" Not "international".. Learn English Duh!

and/but did say "from Mauritania to Mindinao"... the site describes 15 countries in just the month of October.

You got a\the requested link and there are of course more.

Not very "right" are we.. either in fact nor politics for that matter.
More like "LeftinNYC'
NEXT.
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And how many of those deaths are you absolutely sure are the result of religious motivation? I mean seriously, if it's on the internet it's got to be the gospel right? You've confirmed your source? Or you just accept it as truth because well...that link means your argument is sold..right? If any of those murders were committed due to political or other motivations then your number is not a reliable source for you to use in supporting your argument.
 
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mbig said:
I said "Intentional violent death" NOt "international".. Learn English Duh!

and "from Mauritania to Mindinao"... ther site describes 15 countries in just the month of October.

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Ah, my apologies. However, I'm not sure that makes your statement any less false. First, it suffers from the obvious flaw involved in lumping every murder by someone who is a Muslim under the heading "deaths caused by Islam." Plenty of those incidents are driven by things other than religion. Second, if you define categories broadly enough, there are other things that cause more violent deaths. The drug trade was responsible for almost 6,000 deaths in Mexico alone in 2008.

Not very "right" are we.. either in fact nor politics for that matter.
More like "LeftinNYC'
NEXT.
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So anyone who points out the flaws in your rush to demonize an entire religion is automatically liberal? Great analysis.
 
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RightinNYC said:
What constitutes "international violent death"? Your list includes things like an attack by one Muslim Pakistani on another. How does that possibly qualify? .
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Actually, muslims that dont jihad are not considered true muslims by those who do. They define them as "hypocrites" and will be stacked like cordwood in the fires of hell with the rest of us who refuse to submit to the will of Allah.
 
akyron said:
Actually, muslims that dont jihad are not considered true muslims by those who do. They define them as "hypocrites" and will be stacked like cordwood in the fires of hell with the rest of us who refuse to submit to the will of Allah.
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Which proves that some extremist members of a religion are close-minded assholes.
 
Lerxst said:
Do you know for a fact this man committed these murders because of his Muslim faith? I spent years investigating motives of people who commit crimes. I got into the habit of taking facts into account, not precedents or other non-fact based profiling.
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I spent years learning my enemy (since 1993). Doesn't mean I know how to fight a war in Vietnam. I am without doubt that this was religiously feuled and motivated by a man who snapped over the prospect of having to go to war against Muslims.

1) He didn't chooose to slaughter civilians.
2) He didn't choose to slaughter his chain of command.
3) He didn't choose to commit suicide.

He made a statement against those who...what?


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Unlike some here, I'm not making a rush to judgment on what the real motive behind this mans acts were based upon his name or religion.
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What you are doing is rushing to pretend that you don't know what is going on in your world and choosing to pretend that you are bewildered and are in need of absolute confession before you reach the conclusion that is slapping you in the face.

I know that was one hell of a run on sentence, but whatever. It's not an "assault on Islam." It's facing reality.
 
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akyron said:
Actually, muslims that dont jihad are not considered true muslims by those who do. They define them as "hypocrites" and will be stacked like cordwood in the fires of hell with the rest of us who refuse to submit to the will of Allah.
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I don't think anybody disputes there are extreme elements within Islam. What you are describing is an extremist view. Non-violent Muslims constitute the vast majority of Islam. This is indisputable.
 
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