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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

And what are you basing your claim that this is "obvious and predictable" on?

That a small percentage of Muslims will act on their heartfelt sentiments.
 
Most Jews sympathize with Israel, most Muslims identify with their coreligionists. People have their allegiances.

And this is the crux. Something as simple as this appears too complex for some people who need a reasonable excuse for why some things happen. The rational leap is to declare that the only possibilities that make sense are that....

1) He didn't want to deploy so he "broke."

2) He developed PTSD from helping people from PTSD.

And just wait. Soon the media will investigat ehis life and report every little detail that you and I have endured just fine and explain how that was what drove him. 8 years after 9/11 and people still need a rational understanding for why irrational acts occur.

Usually, it is the athiest or those without religious background that have trouble coming to terms with what we have been facing for so long. The sad truth is that it is the religious in all cultures that understand best how easy it is for men to destroy, maim, and slaughter in the name of God or over what he feels is threatening his very soul. There's a lot of Catholics out there that "understood" the IRA. There are a lot of Muslims out there that "understand" the angers in the ME. This jack-ass, like the jack-ass durng the Gulf War, had enough of our "war against Muslims."
 
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I alway thougt it would have been a good idea to put these people in internment camps after 9-11 like we did the Japs who my dad fought against in the 24th Infantry in WW2. We have all these new facilities that are being erected across America that would be ideal. Once these people are cataloged and processed we could determine which ones are fit for living in the U.S. and the rest can be deported. We also did this type of thing to mexican illegals in America approved by President Eisenhower called "Operation Wetback" and it worked. They were then deported deep into Mexico by ships.


How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico | csmonitor.com

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback]Operation Wetback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Well, the bottom line is, if this dude didn't want to deploy, the should have cashiered his ass and sent him home. Problem solved.
 
The rot of Political Correctness is why nightly news stories accross the country sound like this...

A man commited (insert crime here) today...

And this is the crux. Something as simple as this appears too complex for some people who need a reasonable excuse for why some things happen. The rational leap is to declare that the only possibilities that make sense are that....

1) He didn't want to deploy so he "broke."

2) He developed PTSD from helping people from PTSD.

And just wait. Soon the media will investigat ehis life and report every little detail that you and I have endured just fine and explain how that was what drove him. 8 years after 9/11 and people still need a rational understanding for why irrational acts occur.

Usually, it is the athiest or those without religious background that have trouble coming to terms with what we have been facing for so long. The sad truth is that it is the religious in all cultures that understand best how easy it is for men to destroy, maim, and slaughter in the name of God or over what he feels is threatening his very soul. There's a lot of Catholics out there that "understood" the IRA. There are a lot of Muslims out there that "understand" the angers in the ME.

I do think its likely that his religious views ended up driving him to do this, but I'm not going to make broad line declarations of that as fact, or start using that ASSUMPTION to immediately start trying to make political points calling for a "pure bred" military or internment of Muslims or other sort of things. Perhaps when concretes facts come out and we're not in the immediate heat of the moment I'll start thinking about the political, militaristic, and social ramifications of this but I'm not going to take this time now to manipulate and use the deaths of these soldiers to push a political agenda based on nothing beyond near baseless assumptions at this point like some in this thread are doing.
 
Religiously/politically motivated Muslim...or disgruntled soldier? Nothing matters now because he has an Arab name, and the Alabama trailer park residents who know nothing more than "raghead = bad" have likely made up what passes for their minds. :shrug:
 
That a small percentage of Muslims will act on their heartfelt sentiments.

If I remember correctly one could make the same assumptions about a small percentage of Christians who reacted on their heartfelt sentiments and lynched a government cencus worker from a tree in Kentucky...

With no proof all you can do is speculate...it doesn't help.
 
The Shooter is still alive...just reported on news conference.

Amazing.
 
Probably something like this would have happened with the Japanese in WW2. I love the Japanese people, btw. But there was a fanaticism and loyalty amongst them to their emperor that was very strong at the time. Those were less politically correct times, that is very true.
 
My the irresponsibility of the MSM for reporting the shooter dead when he actually is alive and in stable condition.

Alright. Everybody booooooooooo at the count of three...

1...

2...

yeah right.
 
My the irresponsibility of the MSM for reporting the shooter dead when he actually is alive and in stable condition.

Alright. Everybody booooooooooo at the count of three...

1...

2...

yeah right.

Link? Prove it was only them?
 
If I remember correctly one could make the same assumptions about a small percentage of Christians who reacted on their heartfelt sentiments and lynched a government cencus worker from a tree in Kentucky...

With no proof all you can do is speculate...it doesn't help.

Wait. I must have missed when this came out. Link to where it was found out who actually lynched hte census worker?
 
Wait. I must have missed when this came out. Link to where it was found out who actually lynched hte census worker?

Like I said...with the know facts....little they may be...one could easily speculate that that is what happened....like I said it doesn't help.
 
Like I said...with the know facts....little they may be...one could easily speculate that that is what happened....like I said it doesn't help.

And the fact is the FBI still doesn't know who killed him. Maybe you need to help the FBI with that since they haven't said who did it.
 
Like I said...with the know facts....little they may be...one could easily speculate that that is what happened....like I said it doesn't help.

Ahh.....okay, so talking out your ass by trying to use a scenario that is no where near alike but allows you to take political jabs at a group you dislike, despite that there was no actual evidence of who did it to the census worker while there is at the very least a good deal of evidence that a muslim did do this, though no concrete evidence as to WHY he did it yet.

Okay, that makes much more sense. The world is in order. Thanks. Thought I had missed a conclusion to the lynching thing
 
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The MSM didn't wait for all of the facts to flesh out now did they?

Too busy preparing spin to report the facts I guess..

They were basing their statements on the fact that the General at the base explicitly said the shooter was killed. I don't really fault them for that.

Currently at the news conference he's saying the shooter is alive and that he was responsible for all the casualties.
 
They were basing their statements on the fact that the General at the base explicitly said the shooter was killed. I don't really fault them for that.

Currently at the news conference he's saying the shooter is alive and that he was responsible for all the casualties.
If the man is alive he should be executed.
 
I do think its likely that his religious views ended up driving him to do this....

The rest of your statement was a mere disclaimer to what your actual beliefs are. If you haven't the courage to state it without carefuly constructing a way to pass off moral superiority to those who do have enough courage to state (after enough study and real world experience) what they believe, then perhaps being a spectator suits you better.

I neither called for the internment of Muslims nor the purging of them from "my" ranks. So save your sermon for those that did.
 
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lt gen robert cole's press conf, just concluded:

hasan is alive

he acted alone

we'll see if "facts" continue to change

you can't really blame msm for saying hasan was dead, there was solid reason for believing so, in my opinion
 
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