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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

This is what we were talking about several weeks ago in another thread - "holes in the floor."
 
apdst said:
I guess, when the ballistics investigation is complete, we'll know how many different weapons were use.

One correction, there were 43 casualties.
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So what do you think the chances are that he simply reloaded that two pistols he was carrying?
 
goldendog said:
So what do you think the chances are that he simply reloaded that two pistols he was carrying?
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Slim, at best.

You have to understand that those folks in that room aren't just standing there, waiting to get shot. They're ducking and diving, so this guy is shooting multiple moving targets, with a pistol and scores 43 hits? No way.
 
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RightinNYC said:
There's nothing yet to show that he was a Muslim convert.
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Shep interviewed the cousin who said he'd always been Muslim, but was raised here and was a 'good American.'
 
apdst said:
Slim, at best.

You have to understand that those folks in that room aren't just standing there, waiting to get shot. They're ducking and diving, so this guy is shooting multiple moving targets, with a pistol and scores 43 hits? No way.
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Yea, it's much more likely that he managed to hit 43 targets with 34 bullets.
 
apdst said:
No, it's most likely there was more than one shooter.
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And you're basing this on...?

Believe it or not, I'm gonna go with the general at the base who says all the shooting was done by this one individual.
 
Something stinks bad about this whole story.

1 Gunman armed with 2 9mm standard issue

12 killed
31 wounded


With the injured and dead: 43

And you are telling me that they don't know if he had time to reload?

One Officer was saying that the "gunman" had been espousing how he (the shooter) hated the wars against Muslims, and that he was upset about being deployed to a war that was killing innocent Muslims. This officer added that the shooter had many times said that the Muslims of Iraq, and Afgandistan should rise up and fight the aggressors (us).

Then, immiediatly, a man who had grown up with this native born, raised Muslim, good natured, friendly good American, was amazed and in disbeleif that this man could have done this. Something stinks in the perfume factory.
 
bhkad said:
If he never served in combat how could he have PTSD?
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You can get PTSD without serving in combat.

Waking to the noise of distant explosions repeatldy through a series of nights to weeks may affect you differently than it would me. A firefight may affect you differently than me. Ghastly and horrific sights may affect you differently than it would me.

The fact is that most troops feel a sense of PTSD to some degree. The vast majority get over it easy enough, but some may continue to have dreams or creeping thoughts. Few actually have the type of PTSD most people define it as. And lots think PTSD is an excuse for failure long after they've left the battle.
 
No one wants to admit the reality that most Muslim people harbor sympathies with their co-religionists in the Mid-East. a minority of those will snap.
 
When you not only fight Israel's wars for them, but then invite the very people you are killing for Israel to come and join your military, this is what happens.
 
American said:
I don't know that I can tell the diff.
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I can. But its only because I lived 9 years of my adolescent life in the Phillipines and Okinawa and then later spent time in Africa and the Middle East.

Environments shape people differently and so does culture.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
No one wants to admit the reality that most Muslim people harbor sympathies with their co-religionists in the Mid-East. a minority of those will snap.
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This.


Did anyone hear his cousin? A man in complete denial. Claiming his cousin was a "good man"

The fact this man was so angry about going to Iraq or Afghanistan is another red flag.

And this guy wasn't a convert to Islam either despite what some news sources have said. He was born and raised as a Muslim.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
No one wants to admit the reality that most Muslim people harbor sympathies with their co-religionists in the Mid-East. a minority of those will snap.
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Link? Or are you just spewing ignorant bull**** because you think it sounds right?

David Duke is Right said:
When you not only fight Israel's wars for them, but then invite the very people you are killing for Israel to come and join your military, this is what happens.
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Good to know that you've been able to discern a motive so quickly. You should call the base and tell them what you've uncovered.
 
They did just report on the news that this guy has been previously investigated for making internet postings reguarding terrorists attacks.

I would like to see a confirmation of this.
 
RightinNYC said:
Link? Or are you just spewing ignorant bull**** because you think it sounds right?
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Please tell me you are kidding.


How many protests have you seen of American Muslims who say they are against Islamic terrorism? One? Perhaps Two?

Now how many Muslim protests have you seen against the US on US soil? I stopped counting..

Have you heard of the largest Muslim civil rights organization CAIR?

Might want to check into how many of their leadership were indited of working to funnel money through Islamic charities to terrorists.

Or them defending others arrested of working to funnel money to terrorists overseas

YID With LID: CAIR Defends Arrested Dallas Terrorist, Claims Entrapment
 
RightinNYC said:
Link? Or are you just spewing ignorant bull**** because you think it sounds right?



Good to know that you've been able to discern a motive so quickly. You should call the base and tell them what you've uncovered.
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This event today proves that these people are dangerous in our military. They need to be removed. How many middle eastern countries will allow Americans in their Military to serve a career? Does Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lybia etc? The answer is no.
 
texmaster said:
Please tell me you are kidding.


How many protests have you seen of American Muslims who say they are against Islamic terrorism?

Have you heard of the largest Muslim civil rights organization CAIR?

Might want to check into how many of their leadership were indited of working to funnel money through Islamic charities to terrorists.

Or them defending others arrested of working to funnel money to terrorists overseas

YID With LID: CAIR Defends Arrested Dallas Terrorist, Claims Entrapment
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Given what we know already his motives could have been anything...why speculate when you just don't really know?
 
RightinNYC said:
Good to know that you've been able to discern a motive so quickly. You should call the base and tell them what you've uncovered.
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:lol: ................
 
goldendog said:
He was openly griping out being deployed to Iraq and it has been reported that it was his greatest fear. He treated maimed and mentally injured soldiers...He in many was starting to fit this profile.

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He fits many of this criteria...for instance he was in a non-combative role being a doctor threating injured soldiers.
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This is rich. A conscientious objector chose to defy his orders to a violent event by murdering his fellow soldiers. That'll show 'em.
 
GySgt said:
This is rich. A conscientious objector chose to defy his orders to a violent event by murdering his fellow soldiers. That'll show 'em.
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Do people have a breaking point?
 
goldendog said:
They did just report on the news that this guy has been previously investigated for making internet postings reguarding terrorists attacks.

I would like to see a confirmation of this.
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I think this is what they're referring to:

Pure Speculation: Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree? MediaElites

texmaster said:
Please tell me you are kidding.
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No, I'm not kidding. If you think that the majority of Muslims in the US sympathize with the people we're fighting overseas, you're ****ing nuts.

How many protests have you seen of American Muslims who say they are against Islamic terrorism?

Have you heard of the largest Muslim civil rights organization CAIR?
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Yea, here's what CAIR had to say about this shooting:

We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Along with innumerable condemnations of terror, CAIR has in the past launched an online anti-terror petition drive called "Not in the Name of Islam," initiated a television public service announcement (PSA) campaign against religious extremism and coordinated a "fatwa," or Islamic religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism.
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They certainly sound like terrorist sympathizers, eh?
 
apdst said:
Slim, at best.

You have to understand that those folks in that room aren't just standing there, waiting to get shot. They're ducking and diving, so this guy is shooting multiple moving targets, with a pistol and scores 43 hits? No way.
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Always be prepared.

He's a Major and you don't get that rank for being an uprepared dip**** but apparently being a psycho isn't a concern.

I'm stewing, I'm really pissed - my husband has to deal with the unstable in the military all the time, it's his job to detect and report, and this guy would never have been on his own if he was under my husband's watch.

Someone wasn't doing their job right ... and I'm canning my trap for opsec.
 
here's shep's interview with col lee, from breitbart, via drudge

Breitbart.tv Co-Worker: Ft. Hood Suspect Made ‘Outlandish’ Comments Condemning US Foreign Policy

my notes, naturally, contained a few mistakes in precise wording

for example, hasan did not say, "muslims have the right to rise up and kill americans"

he said, instead, muslims should "stand up and fight the aggressor"

my bad

hasan, according to lee, also did not say he was "happy about" little rock

instead, he said he was "sorta happy about it," alleges lee

i failed to note that the colonel is retired

and the "military investigation" i pointed to, col lee does not know first hand about it, instead he heard about it thru scuttlebutt

i pray, once more, for all of them, for all of us
 
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