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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

American said:
Soldiers don't run around on post with loaded firearms. Only the MPs and hired security carry loaded weapons, and those at ranges. All weapons are kept in locked facilities when not used, separate from ammo. So it's not a cowboy free for all where soldiers are running around hunting the shooters.
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That would make sense, - locking up the guns would help avert something like this from happening in the first place in case order broke down.
 
goldendog said:
So are you saying he only gets what they offer and he could not have requested special training aside from regular weapons training?
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What would be the point? He's there to treat soldiers coming in from battle right?
 
shep smith just interviewed a fort hood acquaintance of the shooter, colonel terry lee

col lee says that hasan said in his presence repeatedly things like, "muslims have a right to rise up and attack americans"

col lee says hasan was "happy about it," referring to the shooting of the two army recruiters by abdulhakim muhammad in little rock in june

col lee says he'd heard thru third party hearsay that hasan talked about strapping on bombs and blowing up people in times square

hasan got in lots of arguments with fellow fort hood officers, lee told shep

there would be lots of name calling back and forth, and hasan would sometimes be called a "raghead"

when hasan said certain things to lee that the colonel found offensive, lee says he told hasan, "you need to lock it up"

hasan, according to lee, wanted obama to pull troops out of iraq and afghanistan and turned very negative when the draw down wasn't happening

hasan was becoming "more and more agitated and frustrated"

hasan's "views were well known"

he has been "investigated by the military"

he was transferred to hood from walter reed, and lee very much, very much wants to know why

what happened concerning hasan at walter reed? lee directly said he suspects there must have been an incident or incidents

as for working with others, lee said hasan was very much a "loner to himself," lee said those exact words twice

that's all i heard

peace, everyone, my prayers are for all concerned
 
metreon said:
That would make sense, - locking up the guns would help avert something like this from happening in the first place in case order broke down.
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As far as I know that is standard military SOP since the beginning of time. And personal firearms are not allowed.
 
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Navy Pride said:
What does a Saudi look like compared to someone else born in the middle east? Just curious......
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Different. Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, Pakistanis all have distinct looks generally. It's the same as the difference between an Okinawan, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, or a Korean.
 
apdst said:
Because there were three people involved. They all snapped at the same time, and went to the same place to kill people?
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MyOwnDrum said:
OK you all, admit it, this is a terrorist act on U.S. soil. The guy is Muslim, had two co-conspirators, and attacked U.S. soldiers. It's not rocket science to add 2 and 2... :rolleyes:
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Again, the two individuals who were detained have since been released. It seems unlikely that they were involved.

The silenced majority said:
That hasn't stopped Katie Couric and Lou Dobbs from hitting the ground running - backing the PSTD assumption.

Political Correctness is the death of the West.
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Yes, the fact that talk show hosts are hesitant to jump to conclusions will doom the nation.

Do you listen to yourself?

More info coming out now:

Update | 7:11 p.m. A personnel record for Major Hasan obtained by The New York Times says that he was born in Virginia in September, 1970. He had an undergraduate degree from Virginia Tech. His record said that he had expressed no religious preference. His last posting was at Darnell Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, where he worked as a psychiatrist.
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Mass Shooting at Fort Hood - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

The officials had access to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's military record. They said he received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed.
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News from The Associated Press

So what we know so far is that this is a middle aged psychologist who is single with no kids, who is an alcoholic, who has received poor performance evaluations, who dealt with soldiers dealing with PTSD, and who was told recently that he was scheduled to deploy to Iraq, which he was very unhappy about.
 
GySgt said:
Different. Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, Pakistanis all have distinct looks generally. It's the same as the difference between an Okinawan, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, or a Korean.
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I don't know that I can tell the diff.
 
Different. Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, Pakistanis all have distinct looks generally. It's the same as the difference between an Okinawan, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, or a Korean.
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I'd say the difference is far greater than that.
All the people in your example are still identifiably asian.
All middle-easterners are not identifiably anything.
Like I said, a lot of them just look like ordinary white Americans, once you get them out of their native garb and shave those beards off them.
Not all of them are swarthy. Some have WASP-y features.
Once they're Americanized, they gain weight and look as chubby as most Americans do.
At that point, it gets really hard to tell they're middle-eastern.
 
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The silenced majority said:
Anyone else a little suspect of the loyalties of Muslims & Muslim converts in the US military?

Or am I just setting the table for another user to make an ultra-PC statement & gain a boatload of PC thank you's for it?
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It happened during the Gulf War too. All the militaries will be hearing about this and there will be "discussions" and "sensitivity" classes coming. Muslims will be made aware that there are outlets if they feel the need to talk and the rest of us will be encouraged to be good.
 
goldendog said:
So are you saying he only gets what they offer and he could not have requested special training aside from regular weapons training?
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His cousin was interviewed by Shep Smith and he said his cousin (the shooter) was so non-violent that he didn't like shooting on the range.
 
apdst said:
I was at Fort Hood, twice during the 90's and I never saw it as notoriously violent place.
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Oh c'mon now. You know Fort Hood and Brag have a reputation for having gang and thug like activity in the military ranks.
 
I suspect he had a psychotic break.
I believe we're going to find out within the next few days that the "two others" thought to be involved were not, in fact.
 
He was openly griping out being deployed to Iraq and it has been reported that it was his greatest fear. He treated maimed and mentally injured soldiers...He in many was starting to fit this profile.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector]Conscientious objector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


A conscientious objector (CO) is an individual who, on religious, moral or ethical grounds, refuses to participate as a combatant in war or, in some cases, to take any role that would support a combatant organization armed forces. In the first case, conscientious objectors may be willing to accept non-combatant roles during conscription or military service. In the second case, the CO objects to any role within armed forces and results in complete rejection of conscription or military service and, in some countries, assignment to an alternative civilian service as a substitute for conscription or military service. Some conscientious objectors may consider themselves pacifist, non-resistant, or antimilitarist.


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He fits many of this criteria...for instance he was in a non-combative role being a doctor threating injured soldiers.
 
The Prof said:
shep smith just interviewed a fort hood acquaintance of the shooter, colonel terry lee

col lee says that hasan said in his presence repeatedly things like, "muslims have a right to rise up and attack americans"

col lee says hasan was "happy about it," referring to the shooting of the two army recruiters by abdulhakim muhammad in little rock in june

col lee says he'd heard thru third party hearsay that hasan talked about strapping on bombs and blowing up people in times square

hasan got in lots of arguments with fellow fort hood officers, lee told shep

there would be lots of name calling back and forth, and hasan would sometimes be called a "raghead"

when hasan said certain things to lee that the colonel found offensive, lee says he told hasan, "you need to lock it up"

hasan, according to lee, wanted obama to pull troops out of iraq and afghanistan and turned very negative when the draw down wasn't happening

hasan was becoming "more and more agitated and frustrated"

hasan's "views were well known"

he has been "investigated by the military"

he was transferred to hood from walter reed, and lee very much, very much wants to know why

what happened concerning hasan at walter reed? lee directly said he suspects there must have been an incident or incidents

as for working with others, lee said hasan was very much a "loner to himself," lee said those exact words twice

that's all i heard

peace, everyone, my prayers are for all concerned
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The MSM will still blame it on PSTD
 
bowerbird said:
So why is it automatically religious hatred and not PTSD
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Because PTSD is largely a copout for most that claim PTSD...and the murder of fellow soldiers, who have experienced the same crap you have, is not a result.

This was absolutely personal and religiously motivated. We will hear all about how he had fmaily problems or a bad childhood or that he had a bad Fruit Roll-Up for breakfast. But in the end, he turned on his fellow soldiers. He didn't climb a bell tower and start capping civilians. He didn't lock himself in a hotel room and kill himself. He chose to slaughter U.S. soldiers.

Logic dictates far greater than politically correct madness.
 
The silenced majority said:
Anyone else a little suspect of the loyalties of Muslims & Muslim converts in the US military?

Or am I just setting the table for another user to make an ultra-PC statement & gain a boatload of PC thank you's for it?
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This is not the first time that a Muslim convert has killed his fellow soldiers...I remember when the Sgt Ankbar rolled a grenade in a tent full of army officers and killed most of them...That was in Iraq............

I am sure that the vast majority of American Muslims are honorable, peace loving Americans but the question begs to be asked how can you tell a loyal American from a radical Muslim who wants to kill us?
 
RightinNYC said:
Again, the two individuals who were detained have since been released. It seems unlikely that they were involved.
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This dude had two pistols, that's a max of 34 rounds and he scored 31 hits, 12 were kill shots. You know how unlikely that is, even for a world class shooter?
 
My heart goes out to the families.

There's really nothing more to say.
 
Navy Pride said:
This is not the first time that a Muslim convert has killed his fellow soldiers...I remember when the Sgt Ankbar rolled a grenade in a tent full of army officers and killed most of them...That was in Iraq............

I am sure that the vast majority of American Muslims are honorable, peace loving Americans but the question begs to be asked how can you tell a loyal American from a radical Muslim who wants to kill us?
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Sounds like questions that people were raising about Japanese Americans during WW2.
 
apdst said:
This dude had two pistols, that's a max of 34 rounds and he scored 31 hits, 12 were kill shots. You know how unlikely that is, even for a world class shooter?
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So why are you so willing to leave out the very real possiblity that he could have reloaded several times?

What are your motivations here Adpsts?
 
The silenced majority said:
The MSM will still blame it on PSTD
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So why don't you wait until they do and then point out how they're wrong?

Navy Pride said:
This is not the first time that a Muslim convert has killed his fellow soldiers...I remember when the Sgt Ankbar rolled a grenade in a tent full of army officers and killed most of them...That was in Iraq............

I am sure that the vast majority of American Muslims are honorable, peace loving Americans but the question begs to be asked how can you tell a loyal American from a radical Muslim who wants to kill us?
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There's nothing yet to show that he was a Muslim convert.

apdst said:
This dude had two pistols, that's a max of 34 rounds and he scored 31 hits, 12 were kill shots. You know how unlikely that is, even for a world class shooter?
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Yes, and it's absolutely impossible that he reloaded. Great point.
 
goldendog said:
So why are you so willing to leave out the very real possiblity that he could have reloaded several times?

What are your motivations here Adpsts?
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I guess, when the ballistics investigation is complete, we'll know how many different weapons were use.

One correction, there were 43 casualties.
 
If this was his first deployment to the Middle east, it could very will be that he was in fear of what might happen over there to a muslim american in the U.S. Army who is working against his brother muslims....

I am very interested in why he was promoted, and/or allowed to stay in the Army, if he said the anti-American things he supposedly said.
 
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