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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

bowerbird said:
So why is it automatically religious hatred and not PTSD
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Because there were three people involved. They all snapped at the same time, and went to the same place to kill people?
 
The silenced majority said:
I'm saying that this will be treated by the msm as AUTOMATICALLY pstd.

Try to keep up.
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Why ruin this thread with needless speculation?

Everyone here understands that it may turn out to be a case of muslim extremism.

The military and other agencies will investigate and eventually issue reports as to what happened. The "MSM" cannot change those reports even if they wanted to.

All you are accomplishing is a revelation into your personal bias.
 
apdst said:
Because there were three people involved. They all snapped at the same time, and went to the same place to kill people?
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If there are in fact multiple subjects involved in some fashion, it would make the PTSD theory very improbable.
 
Oftencold said:
It is almost certainly a Muslim name.
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Islam is a global religion with adherents of various races, ethnicities, and nationalities. What is a "Muslim name," exactly? :confused:

metreon said:
My guess would be the violence will be seen as a referendum about the inadequacy of a volunteer only army and whether other options like the draft should be used to relieve inadequate recruitment levels.
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So a blood tax will reduce troop discontent and propensity for violent action?
 
apdst said:
I knew it wasn't gang violence. Street gangs don't have the guts to take on a military target, on post. Not something this big, anyway. The MP's would go through Killeen and Coperas Cove busting heads like it was the Night of The Long Knives. And, if the local cops weren't involved in the head knocking, they would just look the other way.

I was at Fort Hood, twice during the 90's and I never saw it as notoriously violent place.
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Well, I've lived right near it all my life, and trust me, it is.
Anyway, i was talking about gangs within the army.
Some recruits don't necessarily drop their gang affiliations/ loyalties once they enlist, from what I've heard.
Hell, a soldier from Arkansas was killed on a base in Germany last year, beaten to death by other soldiers who were "jumping him in" to the Crips.
I know they've cracked down on any suspected gang activity within the ranks since then, but I'm sure some slips by.
These are teenage boys and young men.
Stupidity doesn't always stop with enlistment.
 
OK you all, admit it, this is a terrorist act on U.S. soil. The guy is Muslim, had two co-conspirators, and attacked U.S. soldiers. It's not rocket science to add 2 and 2... :rolleyes:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
OK you all, admit it, this is a terrorist act on U.S. soil. The guy is Muslim, had two co-conspirators, and attacked U.S. soldiers. It's not rocket science to add 2 and 2... :rolleyes:
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I don't think it can be terrorism if the target is military.
I think, by definition, "terrorism" targets civilians.
 
1069 said:
Well, I've lived right near it all my life, and trust me, it is.
Anyway, i was talking about gangs within the army.
Some recruits don't necessarily drop their gang affiliations/ loyalties once they enlist, from what I've heard.
Hell, a soldier from Arkansas was killed on a base in Germany last year, beaten to death by other soldiers who were "jumping him in" to the Crips.
I know they've cracked down on any suspected gang activity within the ranks since then, but I'm sure some slips by.
These are teenage boys and young men.
Stupidity doesn't always stop with enlistment.
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Wait, apdst thought that you were referring to the local non-military Pirus randomly walking on base? :rofl

MyOwnDrum said:
OK you all, admit it, this is a terrorist act on U.S. soil. The guy is Muslim, had two co-conspirators, and attacked U.S. soldiers. It's not rocket science to add 2 and 2... :rolleyes:
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Uh, there's not a means of determining that something is a "terrorist act" according to motivation alone. Deaths caused by political or religious hostility aren't more significant than deaths caused by some other discontent, would you say?
 
Joe1991 said:
Why ruin this thread with needless speculation?

Everyone here understands that it may turn out to be a case of muslim extremism.

The military and other agencies will investigate and eventually issue reports as to what happened. The "MSM" cannot change those reports even if they wanted to.

All you are accomplishing is a revelation into your personal bias.
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That hasn't stopped Katie Couric and Lou Dobbs from hitting the ground running - backing the PSTD assumption.

Political Correctness is the death of the West.
 
apdst said:
Because there were three people involved. They all snapped at the same time, and went to the same place to kill people?
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Two suspects have been released.
 
The silenced majority said:
That hasn't stopped Katie Couric and Lou Dobbs from hitting the ground running - backing the PSTD assumption.

Political Correctness is the death of the West.
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If he never served in combat how could he have PTSD?
 
Michael Savage just had a caller who reported that he went to the shooters facebook page before it was removed and saw that he was a member of a facebook fanatical islamic group. Also it took the Usurper 2 minutes into his healthcare speech to comment on the shootings. He should have mentioned it first. This could be a diversion to something more sinister according to Savage. This shooting is more than a isolated incident. The liberal MSM spin has already started. Islam converts should be not allowed into the military since we are at war with terrorist who are mainly Muslims. It appears they can't be trusted.
 
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Given that this is an army base and just about everyone would have access to combat weapons, and be dressed in uniform, I wonder if some may have died from friendly fire in the confusion, - perhaps the previously reported "shooters" were simply unfortunate defenders trying to shoot someone they thought was the shooter.

The reason I am guessing this is because none of the most recent reports makes any mention of more than one shooter. All are referring to the Major as the only gunman.
 
So a psychiatrist had special training in shooting?
 
metreon said:
Given that this is an army base and just about everyone would have access to combat weapons, and be dressed in uniform, I wonder if some may have died from friendly fire in the confusion, - perhaps the previously reported "shooters" were simply unfortunate defenders trying to shoot someone they thought was the shooter.

The reason I am guessing this is because none of the most recent reports makes any mention of more than one shooter. All are referring to the Major as the only gunman.
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Soldiers don't run around on post with loaded firearms. Only the MPs and hired security carry loaded weapons, and those at ranges. All weapons are kept in locked facilities when not used, separate from ammo. So it's not a cowboy free for all where soldiers are running around hunting the shooters.
 
1069 said:
Well, I've lived right near it all my life, and trust me, it is.
Anyway, i was talking about gangs within the army.
Some recruits don't necessarily drop their gang affiliations/ loyalties once they enlist, from what I've heard.
Hell, a soldier from Arkansas was killed on a base in Germany last year, beaten to death by other soldiers who were "jumping him in" to the Crips.
I know they've cracked down on any suspected gang activity within the ranks since then, but I'm sure some slips by.
These are teenage boys and young men.
Stupidity doesn't always stop with enlistment.
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I've heard all those stories. I've even seen some tattoos, but I never saw any of that openly displayed and as late as 2000, think it was rare within the ranks. I ceartainly enver saw any overt displays such as this from alledged gang bangers. I have seen some self proclaimd gang bangers make treats against officers and NCO's. Most of them wound up in the hospital within a few hours.

I just can't see a street gang having the nuts to do something like this. I don't care what kind of presence their members have within the ranks.
 
gangsters kill other gangsters. They usually stick to their own turf wars.
 
goldendog said:
Maybe not...but a army major shipping out to Iraq sure the hell would.
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I wouldn't call the training special. I mean other than normal proficiency, what else would a psyciatrist get? No special weapons or anything.
 
American said:
I wouldn't call the training special. I mean other than normal proficiency, what else would a psyciatrist get? No special weapons or anything.
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So are you saying he only gets what they offer and he could not have requested special training aside from regular weapons training?
 
apdst said:
I've heard all those stories. I've even seen some tattoos, but I never saw any of that openly displayed and as late as 2000, think it was rare within the ranks. I ceartainly enver saw any overt displays such as this from alledged gang bangers. I have seen some self proclaimd gang bangers make treats against officers and NCO's. Most of them wound up in the hospital within a few hours.

I just can't see a street gang having the nuts to do something like this. I don't care what kind of presence their members have within the ranks.
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Yeah, I wasn't saying the shooter was a gang member (especially now that we know he's a middle-aged psychiatrist); I just said that was my initial suspicion.
I am glad to hear that open gang activity isn't tolerated in the army; I had heard that thievery and petty pilfering were rampant during training.
 
For a gangbanger to kill a rival gangbanger in the service one has to be selective.

There is nothing selective about rolling a grenade in to a tent full of your fellow servicemen.
 
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