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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

They are showing a picture of him on msnbc right now. I don't know, he doesn't really look especially Arabic? What do you guys think, did anyone else see his pic?

Well, he's not an American black man who adopted an Islamic name, which was everyone's first idea when his name was released.
So, yeah, I'm assuming he's middle-eastern.
There are many middle-easterners in the region; many of them look white and are often mistaken for white or hispanic. They're not all dark complected; they can have light hair and eyes.
 
From what I have observed (certainly not an expert opinion here;)), a good number of mental health professionals actually enter the profession as part of a wish to fix their own problems, but that is an endeavor which is highly difficult to pursue successfully.

The problem with that is that it is not easy to get promoted while having mental heath issues on your record...Perhaps he was using his patients therapy as his own?
 
He had some comments on the vetting process and urged everyone to not jump to conclusions.....yet.

I dont see much difference in being a nutbag and a religious nutbag.

The results can be horrific in either case.

Nutbag = Unibomber, Timothy McVeigh, Charles Whitman, etc.

Religious Nutbag = Phillip II, Thomas Muntzer, Osama Bin Laden, etc.

The difference is what is referred to as a "Practical" and an "Apocalyptic" terrorist. One can be dealt with politically and even rehabilitated. His grievances are of this world and either seeks to change it or to make a statement in the now. The other, the "Apocalyptic," also has grievances about his world, but seek more to punish or to exact revenge. His ultimate goal is to please God and to ensure a place in heaven as a good and faithful "soldier" for god. This type...the religious "nutbag"... cannot be dealt with, bartered with, or rehabilitated (thereby denying everything he believes in). The Apocalytpic types are usually in a hurry to rush on armegeddon and to meet his maker too.

One is certainly far, far more dangerous than the other.
 
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Well, he's not an American black man who adopted an Islamic name, which was everyone's first idea when his name was released.
So, yeah, I'm assuming he's middle-eastern.
There are many middle-easterners in the region; many of them look white and are often mistaken for white or hispanic. They're not all dark complected; they can have light hair and eyes.


Maybe b/c he's bald, I can't tell. My husband says, yes, like you, that he looks Arabic.


ps - I wasn't picturing a black man, I was picturing more like a Greek man. Lots of dark, bushy hair, and olive skin
 
They are showing a picture of him on msnbc right now. I don't know, he doesn't really look especially Arabic? What do you guys think, did anyone else see his pic?

He was a convert to Islam.

EDIT: Reportedly.
 
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They just reported that his family is from Jordan...
 
I believe Sen Hutchinson speculated that he was from Jordan.
 
He was a convert to Islam.

I've heard this cited several times, but do you have a source?

Other info:

U.S. rep. McCaul says shooter had special training in shooting

Rep. McCaul also said he's been told suspected shooter Hasan had undergone alcohol counseling.

Fort Hood Shootings (FtHoodShootings) on Twitter

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Was everyone else as un-surprised as I was when the guy turned out to have a Muslim/Mid-Eastern name?
 
What does a Saudi look like compared to someone else born in the middle east? Just curious......
 
He looks very middle-eastern to me.
Middle-easterners look like anyone else, once they shave off that long hair and those big long bushy beards, as obviously they would have to do if they were active members of the US army.
 
I've heard this cited several times, but do you have a source?

Other info:

U.S. rep. McCaul says shooter had special training in shooting

Rep. McCaul also said he's been told suspected shooter Hasan had undergone alcohol counseling.

Fort Hood Shootings (FtHoodShootings) on Twitter

Image:

41011938-8f7a30ff0839e1ff82811b483d3e66a8.4af36869-scaled.png

Shep Smith was talking with a local reporter who said he was a convert. I've heard it nowhere else.
 
Anyone else a little suspect of the loyalties of Muslims & Muslim converts in the US military?

Or am I just setting the table for another user to make an ultra-PC statement & gain a boatload of PC thank you's for it?
 
He looks very middle-eastern to me.
Middle-easterners look like anyone else, once they shave off that long hair and those big long bushy beards, as obviously they would have to do if they were active members of the US army.


I think he looks Canadian :twisted:
 
Anyone else a little suspect of the loyalties of Muslims & Muslim converts in the US military?

Or am I just setting the table for another user to make an ultra-PC statement & gain a boatload of PC thank you's for it?

I think that if they prove this has anything to do with his heritage, maybe we can entertain these claims. Till then, there's not much given as to motive.
 
Was everyone else as un-surprised as I was when the guy turned out to have a Muslim/Mid-Eastern name?


I was a little surprised.
When I heard 3 shooters, 12 dead, I suspected gang activity.
I've heard there's a lot of it in the army.
Fort Hood is also a notoriously violent place, even compared to other army bases.
 
I think that if they prove this has anything to do with his heritage, maybe we can entertain these claims. Till then, there's not much given as to motive.
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Yeah, and watch the MSM spin this to be a case of PSTD and never - ever entertain the possibility that the shootings were motivated by religious hatred.
 
Anyone else a little suspect of the loyalties of Muslims & Muslim converts in the US military?

Or am I just setting the table for another user to make an ultra-PC statement & gain a boatload of PC thank you's for it?

I'm more than a little suspect of their loyalties. This isn't the first time that a Muslim soldiers killed other soldiers.
 
I was a little surprised.
When I heard 3 shooters, 12 dead, I suspected gang activity.
I've heard there's a lot of it in the army.
Fort Hood is also a notoriously violent place, even compared to other army bases.

I knew it wasn't gang violence. Street gangs don't have the guts to take on a military target, on post. Not something this big, anyway. The MP's would go through Killeen and Coperas Cove busting heads like it was the Night of The Long Knives. And, if the local cops weren't involved in the head knocking, they would just look the other way.

I was at Fort Hood, twice during the 90's and I never saw it as notoriously violent place.
 
13 dead 30 wounded.....
 
Shep Smith is interviewing Hasan's cousin and he said that Hasan didn't convert. He was ALWAYS Muslim and he never went to Iraq.
 
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The shooter was a major, an army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Iraq and "upset about it". Ironically, he also specialized in traumatic stress. No kidding.

My guess would be the violence will be seen as a referendum about the inadequacy of a volunteer only army and whether other options like the draft should be used to relieve inadequate recruitment levels. (Not to mention it confirms that psychiatrists are nuts).

...Now what was that other post, the one where a "veteran psychiatrist" pronounced liberals mentally ill? Was he from Fort Hood also?
 
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