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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True, but the accounts of his relationship with Aisha all seem to culminate with him having physical relations with her before age 13. On that basis, it seems clear that he was into younger women to a degree that most of us would find criminal.

    And, it's important to point this out for one reason, and one reason only: Mohammed's actions influenced Islamic law on the subject. His relationship with Aisha is the primary reason why women can "consent" to rape at age 9 in a lot of middle eastern countries. There is a MODERN relevance to this issue.

    IF that weren't the case, I doubt that many of us would care, we'd shrug our shoulders and say, "different times, different values." Except that's a value that is perpetuated TODAY in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    We know they married, we don't know the nature of their sexual relationship if any.

    Did they have children together? Answer. The Prophet had seven children all from other wives.

    Aisha was a child prodigy of Islam.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He said flat out that not all muslims are terrorists. And he is correct in that it is difficult to identify those who have the capacity to commit a terrorist act, and those who would NEVER do so. In essence, our current law enforcement strategy is EXACTLY as you describe, Lerxst. To let them show, through their actions, whether they are terrorists or not. We've made arrests in cases where individuals have engaged with undercover operatives and taken responsibility for attempting to blow something up *(though they were set up, and no explosion actually occurred).

    For example: Jordanian accused in Dallas bomb plot goes to court - CNN.com
    He also said...
    I cannot tell the difference between those who are attempting to blend into our society (sleeper cells) and those who do not take islam literally (bad muslims). Can you tell the difference?
    Catz, I'm no fool. Read what he has said previously on the subject of Islam and couple that with this statement.

    And I'll wait for more info on just how involved law enforcement was regarding actually investigating this man. What I think happened is that his blog popped up on the radar and they were monitoring it for key words and things like that. They probably pulled his military records and looked at info from his ISP. I'd be shocked to hear that any LE agency was actively drawing him out.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    We know they married, we don't know the nature of their sexual relationship if any.
    Actually, there are a number of Islamic sources, including Aisha herself, that speak to an early sexual relationship.

    Again though, that isn't nearly as important as the fact that their relationship continues to influence CURRENT Islamic policies towards women (i.e., that girls as young as 9 can't be "raped" because they can consent to sex).

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, there are a number of Islamic sources, including Aisha herself, that speak to an early sexual relationship.

    Again though, that isn't nearly as important as the fact that their relationship continues to influence CURRENT Islamic policies towards women (i.e., that girls as young as 9 can't be "raped" because they can consent to sex).
    That's quite true and is of concern more than whether Aisha was a virgin or not throughout her marriage to Mohammed.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    That's quite true and is of concern more than whether Aisha was a virgin or not throughout her marriage to Mohammed.
    I totally agree. I think that what people are really trying to point to when they say that Mohammed was a child molester is that Islamic law TODAY excuses child molestation.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I totally agree. I think that what people are really trying to point to when they say that Mohammed was a child molester is that Islamic law TODAY excuses child molestation.
    That's the issue, the use of Mohammed as an example of someone who had a child bride regardless of the real relationship of Mohammed and Aisha. The practice with that sacred justification in mind continues to this day.

    I personally feel that when Muslims and others point to Mohammed in this way it is a misuse of religion and doesn't honor Mohammed's place in Islam.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Apparently he also liked drinking beer and visiting strip clubs when his fellow soldiers weren't looking. Sounding more and more like many self proclaimed Christians I know. And also somebody who was even more conflicted than some us originally thought.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...trip-club.html

    Anyway, he's awake and talking. We'll see what comes next.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    that's the issue, the use of mohammed as an example of someone who had a child bride regardless of the real relationship of mohammed and aisha. The practice with that sacred justification in mind continues to this day.

    I personally feel that point to mohammed in this way is a misuse of religion and doesn't honor mohammed's place in islam.
    absolutely. And, it's worse coming from Islamics than from outsiders.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    absolutely. And, it's worse coming from Islamics than from outsiders.
    It's worse because Muslims are denigrating their own faith by practicing the rape of children and saying it's justified in the Q'uran.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Apparently he also liked drinking beer and visiting strip clubs when his fellow soldiers weren't looking. Sounding more and more like many self proclaimed Christians I know. And also somebody who was even more conflicted than some us originally thought.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...trip-club.html

    Anyway, he's awake and talking. We'll see what comes next.



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