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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am usually all for rights but this bastard should have NONE! You hear me? NONE! Just put a frigging pillow case over his face right now!
    You don't get it... if you create the precedence that HE HAS NO RIGHTS... then YOU have no rights...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I personally think he probably had issues for some time. The prolonged persecution by his fellow servicemen and women combined with his obvious opposition to the war and his impending deployment had taken a toll on him.
    Now, I've never been in the millitary, so do correct me if I'm wrong. Now, it's my understanding that as you gain rank you are tested in ways that would weed out those that have 'anti-war' tendencies... right?? Now, was this his first deployment? Again, unless I'm mistaken, the millitary is not releasing his records... why would that be?

    It's issues like this that raise the question, in my mind, if this guy might have been a vitim of 'mk-ultra' mind control experiments... I mean, it's been reported that he's going around telling people of his beliefs, that he is anti-war and about to be deployed... I don't know the extent of control over a person can be obtained with the processes developed in those experiments (since what has been declassified is mainly blacked out), but if he was programmed, and the effect wanted was to show a muslim extremist, he could be programmed to talk about such topics whenever possible, untill he is 'activated' and grabs his guns and accomplishes an objective without concern for his own well-being...

    Think about it. His religion was obviously a very big part of his life, as was his military career. Some people take their religious devotion very seriously, like this guy. Career soldiers are also very serious about their service. Two very big parts of his life were in direct conflict with one another and he was powerless to do anything about it. My guess is severe depression. He was in a situation he had no escape from and there was no sign of relief. In a twisted way I think he probably believed the military had betrayed him by subjecting him to religious persecution and ignoring his pleas. Plus I think he was a coward and didn't want to deploy.
    First, the 'coward' part... if his training showed him to be a coward, don't you think he would have been weeded out?? Anyway...
    This paragraph leads me to my prime suggestion that this guy was most likely a prozac head... you say he had reason to be depressed... now a psychiatrist has the ability to write prescriptions... was this man on SSRI's?? (prozac / ritalin)

    If he was that says alot about what may have triggered this... IT"S ON THE INSERT for these drugs that they can create psychopathic episodes in 'rare' instances... you cannot just 'stop' taking these drugs, but must be weaned off.

    So, he might very well have had one of these episodes and just got his guns and started killing people...


    I can very easily see him saying "**** it, my life is over, they hate me because of my religion, I'll show them...allah akbar." I think he wanted to be killed, not because he wanted to be a martyr for Islam but because he felt he hated what his life had become. He got to take revenge on the social group that was tormenting him but couldn't commit suicide by his own hand. Suicide by cop. Well that was the idea. He would get even till someone put him down.
    There's also the outside chance that he really was a muslim extremist....

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    If enough people understand Islam they will also understand why we must win the so called War on Terror.

    Those who do not stand up and fight jihad for Allahs cause are not good muslims.

    Its right there in the Qur'an. Read it for yourself.

    Qur'an:9:38
    "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."


    Remember Islam requires total submission.
    This is ridiculous bull****. You do realize that "terrorism" isn't exclusive to Islam right? You do realize that there are hundreds of millions of good, devout Muslims who don't adhere to the ancient call to arms against infidels right? You do realize that don't you?

    How do you account for them?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    This is ridiculous bull****. You do realize that "terrorism" isn't exclusive to Islam right? You do realize that there are hundreds of millions of good, devout Muslims who don't adhere to the ancient call to arms against infidels right? You do realize that don't you?

    How do you account for them?
    They are not good muslims.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am usually all for rights but this bastard should have NONE! You hear me? NONE! Just put a frigging pillow case over his face right now!
    Ooooookay...

    Now that you've got all that out of your system, are you ready to joins us back in the civilized world? We have laws out here, you know?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    Ooooookay...

    Now that you've got all that out of your system, are you ready to joins us back in the civilized world? We have laws out here, you know?
    Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world.

    Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.

    Arcana, thanks for seeing and understaing that I am just venting and pissed. I am not sure I am done yet but thanks for seeing that.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    They are not good muslims.
    Wow.

    You sure swallowed the crazy Imams' rhetoric hook, line and sinker, didn't you?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Wow.

    You sure swallowed the crazy Imams' rhetoric hook, line and sinker, didn't you?
    Well....Better safe and 'crazy' than accepting and dead

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well....Better safe and 'crazy' than accepting and dead
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world.

    Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.

    Arcana, thanks for seeing and understaing that I am just venting and pissed. I am not sure I am done yet but thanks for seeing that.
    When things seem how of control and when we are faced with this kind of violence is precisely the time to cling most tenaciously to the rule of law. You think it's bad now? If we sink to the criminal's level, then it will get infinitely worse.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Not really. It would be nice to live in a civilized world but Fort Hood is one more example that we do not live in that kind of world.

    Read the news. We are not a civilized world and there comes a time when something is not working? You change how ya do things. This is just one example of how humans and laws do not mix. Maybe we need to re-think it.
    Go back to the time when the people with the biggest baddest weapons and armour made the rules??

    Change society to something more like in say 'Mad Max'?? Is that better then having constitutional protections?? To know that you're safe in your home and that if someone tries to break in that there are cops who will come to your aid (most of the time too late, but thats besides the point)?? I much prefer that type of system then a total survival of the fittest kill or be killed society.

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