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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You don't seem to grasp the distinction between an organization and its members. The best way to understand this is not to copy-paste things, but to use your head.

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    Porked again huh?

    YOU don't seem to grasp who CAIR is, who founded it, who their leaders are/were.

    Terrorists/Islamists as Ferris said.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post

    No. It's only been a really RECENT event where Jews have been "at odds" with Muslims.


    Infact, if you could recall from your history textbooks, millions of Jews fled from Europe to live in the middle east because they were getting butchered during the inquisitions......
    Really? ? ? ? ?

    Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

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    According to Guillaume, [indent]At the dawn of Islam the Jews dominated the economic life of the Hijaz [Arabia]. They held all the best land: at Medina they must have formed at least half of the population. ...
    The prosperity of the Jews was due to their superior knowledge of agriculture and irrigation and their energy and industry..... Thus it can readily be seen that Jewish prosperity was a challenge to the Arabs, particularly the Quraysh at Mecca and ... [other Arab tribes] at Medina.
    The Prophet Muhammad himself was a member of the Quraysh tribe, which coveted the Jews' bounty, and
    when the Muslims took up arms they treated the Jews with much greater severity than the Christians, who, until the end of the purely Arab Caliphate, were not badly treated.6
    One of the reasons for "this discrimination" against the Jews is what Guillaurne called "the Quran's scornful words" regarding the Jews. The Jews' development of land and culture was a prime source of booty in the Arabian desert peninsula.
    Beginning at the time of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam8 from the expulsions, depredations, extortion, forced conversions or murder of Jewish Arabians settled in Medina to the mass slaughter of Jews at Khaibar
    -- the precedent was established among Arab-Muslims to expropriate that which belonged to the Jews. Relations between the Prophet Muhammad and the Jews were "never ... easy":

    They had irritated him by their refusal to recognize him as a prophet, by ridicule and by argument; and of course their economic supremacy ... was a standing irritant.
    It appears that the first "instigation" by the Prophet Muhammad himself against the Jews........
    Because the Jews preferred to retain their own beliefs.....

    The Prophet Muhammad's pronouncement: "Two religions may not dwell together on the Arabian Peninsula."
    This edict was carried out by Abu Bakr and Omar 1, the Prophet Muhammad's successors; the entire community of Jewish settlements throughout northern Arabia was systematically slaughtered. According to Bernard Lewis, "the extermination of the Jewish tribe of Quraiza was followed by "an attack on the Jewish oasis of Khaibar."......"

    The late Israeli historian and former President, Itzhak Ben-Zvi, judged the "inhuman atrocities" of the Arabian communities as unparalleled since then:

    "...the complete extermination of the two Arabian-Jewish tribes, the Nadhir and Kainuka' by the mass massacre of their men, women and children, was a tragedy for which no parallel can be found in Jewish history until our own day..."

    The slaughter of Arabian Jews and the expropriation of their property became Allah's will. According to the Koran,

    ... some you slew and others you took captive. He (Allah] made you masters of their [the Jews'] land, their houses and their goods, and of yet another land [Khaibar] on which you had never set foot before. Truly, Allah has power over all things.

    "....Thus the Jewish dhimmi evolved [the protected ones] -- the robbery of freedom and political independence compounding the extortion and eventual expropriation of property. "Tolerated" between onslaughts, expulsions, and pillages from the Arab Muslim conquest onward, the non-Muslim dhimmi-predominantly Jewish but Christian too -- provided the important source of religious revenue through the "infidel's" head tax. He became very quickly a convenient political scapegoat and whipping boy as well...

    Most-2/3 at: Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    We are getting off topic again.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    after Hundreds of posts strings 'stray' LEGITIMATELY.
    ie, motive may be Islam, so that becomes a Legitimate sub-discussion.

    Wanna be a mod .. apply for the position.
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    Last edited by mbig; 11-06-09 at 04:26 PM.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    We know it was a factor.
    No we don't, not at this point. You're assuming it was a factor.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Porked again huh?

    YOU don't seem to grasp who CAIR is, who founded it, who their leaders are/were.

    Terrorists/Islamists as Ferris said.
    If you read my post and came away with that conclusion, there's nothing I can do for you.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No we don't, not at this point. You're assuming it was a factor.
    As Tashah mentioned discussion of motive at this point is pointless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I don't think we have enough information at this time to draw any substantive conclusions about his motivation(s). There exist tangential dots, but as of yet they do not interconnect to form a clear and cohesive picture. Conjecture at this time is both pointless and divisive.

    From what I understand, it was a female soldier or police officer who put an end to his killing spree. Has this been confirmed?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    As Tashah mentioned discussion of motive at this point is pointless.
    Then why have you been discussing it?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Then why have you been discussing it?
    Not since she posted.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your right it does.............Not sure how many Japanese Americans killed the fellow soldiers though....A little difference I would say.........
    Are you suggesting that we kick all muslim and/or middle eastern Americans out of the military?
    Certainly you aren't suggesting that we round up all middle easter Americans and put then in internment camps until the so-called "War on Terror" is over.
    Are you?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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