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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I don't think we have enough information at this time to draw any substantive conclusions about his motivation(s). There exist tangential dots, but as of yet they do not interconnect to form a clear and cohesive picture. Conjecture at this time is both pointless and divisive.

    From what I understand, it was a female soldier or police officer who put an end to his killing spree. Has this been confirmed?
    'Tough woman' cop hailed Fort Hood hero - CNN.com

    The police officer who ended the Fort Hood massacre by shooting the suspect was known as the enforcer on her street, a "tough woman" who patrolled her neighborhood and once stopped burglars at her house.

    "If you come in, I'm going to shoot," Kimberly Munley told the would-be intruders last year.

    It was Munley who arrived quickly Thursday at the scene of the worst massacre at an Army base in U.S. history, where 13 people were killed. She confronted the alleged gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, and shot him four times. Munley was wounded in the exchange.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I don't think we have enough information at this time to draw any substantive conclusions about his motivation(s).
    He was friggen crazy. Just like suicide bombers, Timothy Mc Veigh, abortion clinic bombers or Charles Manson.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    It seems he made his feelings pretty clear by arguing with work colleagues on numerous occasions about his opposition to the war. Tonight it has been stated by a witness he shouted 'Allah Akbar' prior to carrying out this atrocity. It just goes to show you never really know whats going on in somebody's mind.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
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    It's neither terrorism, nor mass murder. He attacked military service men on military property... it was an act of militarism; an act of war.
    Generally I think acts of war need to be perpetrated on behalf of a country, or at the very least (and a bit more murky sadly) a sizable group of some kind.

    Contrary to the Armies recent advertising blitz, I don't think someone is truly an "Army of One"


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No. It's only been a really recent event where Jews have been "at odds" with Muslims. Infact, if you could recall from your history textbooks, millions of Jews fled from Europe to live in the middle east because they were getting butchered during the inquisitions.
    Don't play that line, the past doesn't look kind for anyone.
    Yes, and Jews and Christians were forced to flee Arabia in the 7th century establishing the Holy Land of the Hijaz as off-limits to non-Muslims.

    You don't know what Kafir means do you?
    Kafir in Arabic has two meanings: 1) a non-Muslim, a person who denies Allah or Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him); 2) ungrateful, a person who is not thankful to the favors of Allah. The second meaning can be also used for Muslims who do not show gratitude to Allah. Kafir in this meaning is the opposite of "shakir" (thankful). Christians and Jews are kuffar because they rejected the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). …

    However, kafir is now a derogatory term, and that is why I would encourage Muslims to use the term "non-Muslims" when referring to people of different faiths.

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    Hint: It has nothing to do with Christians, Zoroastrians, or Jews.
    Huge fail.

    I'll give you an additional 10 points if you find the proper name for Jews and Christians in the Islamic tradition.
    Masīḥī ~ Christian
    Yahoudy ~ Jew

    Keep your points. Don't ever impugn my knowledge again.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    NYT: Suspect ?mortified? about deployment - The New York Times- msnbc.com

    updated 7:43 p.m. PT, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009
    WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

    But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.


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    Apparently coffee stains were not his only anger issues.
    I think it would really suck to serve your country while a bunch of your supposed commrads are harassing you for your religious choices.
    Aww poor baby, maybe if he hadn't told fellow officers that he though Muslims should rise up and kill Americans then he wouldn't have been harassed if indeed he had ever been harassed at all.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Please explain how "CAIR are [sic] unindicted terrorist co-conspirators." The whole organization? Some members?
    The entire organization.

    Co-conspirators in what? Why weren't they indicted?
    Funding Hamas.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Please explain how "CAIR are [sic] unindicted terrorist co-conspirators." The whole organization? Some members?
    LOL.
    Here we are AGAIN Rookie!

    *Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations




    Anti-CAIR


    In Defense of the Constitution


    Let there be no doubt that the Council on American-Islamic Relations is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists, founded by terrorists, and that CAIR wishes nothing
    more than the implementation of Sharia Law in America

    - Proven Truths About CAIR -

    Let there be no doubt that the Council on American-Islamic Relations is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists, and that CAIR wishes nothing more than the implementation of Sharia Law in America.

    CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic Terrorists.
    CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist-supporting
    groups and nations.


    CAIR is an organization founded by Hamas supporters which seeks to overthrow Constitutional government in the United States and replace it with an Islamist theocracy using our own Constitution as protection.

    CAIR was started by Hamas members and is supported by terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries.

    CAIR is not in the United States to promote the civil rights of Muslims.
    CAIR is here to make radical Islam the dominant religion in the United States and convert our country into an Islamic theocracy.

    CAIR receives direct funding from Islamic terrorist supporting countries.

    Since its founding in 1994, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and its employees have combined, conspired, and agreed with third parties, including, but not limited to, the Islamic Association for Palestine (“IAP”), the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (“HLF”), the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”), and foreign nationals hostile to the interests of the United States, to provide material support to known terrorist organizations, to advance the Hamas agenda, and to propagate radical Islam. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, and certain of its officers, directors, and employees, have acted in support of, and in furtherance of, this conspiracy.


    * * * *
    CAIR Employees And Officials Support Terror

    Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan.
    Royer’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

    CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi, was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
    Khafagi’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

    On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things, making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy and money laundering.
    Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

    CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing, has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic Caliphate, and warned that America will crumble unless it accepts Islam.

    Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”). GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Or you could call it espionage, if he was dressed in fatigues.
    Yeah, probably. Conspiracy theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You get kudos simply for mentioning Zoroastrians



    Generally I think acts of war need to be perpetrated on behalf of a country, or at the very least (and a bit more murky sadly) a sizable group of some kind.

    Contrary to the Armies recent advertising blitz, I don't think someone is truly an "Army of One"

    Well how do you draw the line between those who become extremists from reading the interwebz (A.Q.'s #1 recruiting tool) and those who are in the Kush mountains with The Base? Are both soldiers of AQ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Yes, and Jews and Christians were forced to flee Arabia in the 7th century establishing the Holy Land of the Hijaz as off-limits to non-Muslims.
    That is a lie.


    Kafir in Arabic has two meanings: 1) a non-Muslim, a person who denies Allah or Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him); 2) ungrateful, a person who is not thankful to the favors of Allah. The second meaning can be also used for Muslims who do not show gratitude to Allah. Kafir in this meaning is the opposite of "shakir" (thankful). Christians and Jews are kuffar because they rejected the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). …


    Who is it that you are quoting?
    However, kafir is now a derogatory term, and that is why I would encourage Muslims to use the term "non-Muslims" when referring to people of different faiths.
    Who is the ego behind the lies?

    You source an ONLINE fatwa service... and I fail? Hahahhahaha grow up.

    It's like using Yahoo Answers as a source.

    Masīḥī ~ Christian
    Yahoudy ~ Jew

    Keep your points. Don't ever impugn my knowledge again.
    I'm sorry I was looking for the word that was used to describe both Jews and Christians.

    The answer is Ahl al-Katrib and they're protected (in the Ummah) according to the word of Muhammad.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    You don't seem to grasp the distinction between an organization and its members. The best way to understand this is not to copy-paste things, but to use your head.

    CAIR is an organization founded by Hamas supporters which seeks to overthrow Constitutional government in the United States and replace it with an Islamist theocracy using our own Constitution as protection.
    CAIR wishes nothing more than the implementation of Sharia Law in America.
    I must have missed this in its mission statement.

    There are plenty of things to criticize CAIR for. The fact that they speak out against terrorism in general and against this incident in particular is not one of them.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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