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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    A word about the term "wounded"

    I'd like to bring up a point for those of you who have never been involved with providing medical care.

    The term "wounded" is often misleading in major traumas such as shootings. The natural and understandable tendency is to think in terms of injury and healing. Often this is the case, but also often, people never fully or even nearly recover completely from these injuries.

    Because the victims and their families don't generally wish to live in a long term spotlight, public attention soon wanes. We should bear in mind that in all likelihood, a significant number of the survivors will have had their lives devastated, and the quality of those lives vastly and permanently diminished.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    GySgt, or anyone else with military experience... can someone tell me how these men could be at large on a military base for so long, and killing so many people? I'm sorry if this comes across as ignorant, but shouldn't a military base already be swarming with armed personnel? How could a small number of people bamboozle the entire base like this?

    I just looked up Ft. Hood and I read that it has over 30,000 stationed personnel.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I'd like to bring up a point for those of you who have never been involved with providing medical care.

    The term "wounded" is often misleading in major traumas such as shootings. The natural and understandable tendency is to think in terms of injury and healing. Often this is the case, but also often, people never fully or even nearly recover completely from these injuries.

    Because the victims and their families don't generally wish to live in a long term spotlight, public attention soon wanes. We should bear in mind that in all likelihood, a significant number of the survivors will have had their lives devastated, and the quality of those lives vastly diminished permanently.
    I also heard something saying that the injured number may include people who were not shot, but who were injured fleeing the scene, so that's a possible plus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    GySgt, or anyone else with military experience... can someone tell me how these men could be at large on a military base for so long, and killing so many people? I'm sorry if this comes across as ignorant, but shouldn't a military base already be swarming with armed personnel? How could a small number of people bamboozle the entire base like this?

    I just looked up Ft. Hood and I read that it has over 30,000 stationed personnel.
    Just going off what I heard, but it doesn't seem too absurd to imagine someone being able to do this in a crowded room if there aren't guns handy. I imagine there weren't too many armed guards posted in a dental facility/processing center/whatever this was, so the shooter was probably the only one with a loaded weapon.

    It also looks like this wasn't as much of an extended shootout as was reported. According to the general's press conference, the shooter was taken down relatively quickly, and most of the rest of the commotion was based on detaining the other suspects, who supposedly didn't shoot anyone.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Great point, it would be much better if they just came out and claimed that it was a secret muslim terrorist conspiracy. **** that "evidence" bull****.
    Its just a big coincidence right?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    I find it strange that this happened as the media was starting to report on the successful Patriotic Rally at the Capitol today opposing Obamacare organized by Michelle Bachmann. The Usurper must be glad this happened.
    I find it strange that you would make such a nonsensical statement.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Its just a big coincidence right?
    We don't know yet. That's sort of how responsible journalism works.

    Im allowed to speculate adolf.

    Go shine your boots or something.
    You can speculate about whatever you want. Just don't whine when others don't feel like following suit.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    GySgt, or anyone else with military experience... can someone tell me how these men could be at large on a military base for so long, and killing so many people? I'm sorry if this comes across as ignorant, but shouldn't a military base already be swarming with armed personnel? How could a small number of people bamboozle the entire base like this?

    I just looked up Ft. Hood and I read that it has over 30,000 stationed personnel.
    Not everyone is walking around with weapons on hand. They live on base and most of their weapons are locked up in the armoury. It's not terribly difficult to get the jump on them.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    We don't know yet. That's sort of how responsible journalism works.
    And once we find out, it will be swept under the rug... just like Hassan Akbar - point made.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    GySgt, or anyone else with military experience... can someone tell me how these men could be at large on a military base for so long, and killing so many people? I'm sorry if this comes across as ignorant, but shouldn't a military base already be swarming with armed personnel? How could a small number of people bamboozle the entire base like this?

    I just looked up Ft. Hood and I read that it has over 30,000 stationed personnel.
    Only MPs are armed, all other arms are stored in locked rooms.
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