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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchClogCyborg View Post

    the Jihadists which killed people in fort Hood seems to had some attention from the autorities.

    Troubling portrait emerges of Army psychiatrist suspected in rampage at Fort Hood, Texas | StarTribune.com

    read also.

    Fort Hood shooter a devout, observant Muslim
    washingtonpost.com


    Fort Hood jihad shooter was disciplined for Islamic proselytizing
    Massacre Leaves 13 Dead At Fort Hood : NPR


    Fort Hood jihad shooter handed out Korans the morning of his attack
    Police raid shooting suspect's Killeen apartment


    "A person behind counter stood up, and he said, 'Allah Akbar!' And just opened up on everybody"


    ksl.com - Fort Hood soldier describes horrific scene to family in Utah


    This is what islamic Immigration leads to. Homegrown jihadists fresh from the US of A
    The poster seems to have added the word 'Jihad' himself to two of the headlines.
    Nonetheless, they are telling.

    If you're Not a Muslim and you hear "Allah Akhbar".... DUCK!
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Not in the context in which you're presenting them.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
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    Neighbors described Hasan as a quiet man who began wearing "Arabic clothing" in recent weeks.

    Police raid shooting suspect's Killeen apartment

    This is consistent with the idea of someone waking up and deciding to take the Koran literally. But it could also be consistent with the Rev's cowardice theory.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Mistaken again.
    Not at all. You've presented a case against Islam in general, you're using this man simply as an example, because he's Muslim. Your focus here is not the shooter, it's your anti-Islamic agenda. Your posts have been very obvious.

    Your agenda is very clear. You seem dismissive of possible other factors, such as emotional instability (of which there is clearly information available that leads reasonable people to see this was obviously a major contributor), choosing to focus on Islam as the culprit here. Islam made him do it, that's your angle.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Not at all. You've presented a case against Islam in general, you're using this man as an example. Your focus here is not the shooter, it's your anti-Islamic agenda. Your posts have been very obvious.

    Your agenda is very clear. You're seem dismissive of possible other factors, choosing to focus on Islam as the culprit here. Islam made him do it, that's your angle.
    Maybe Hasan's religious jihad and the stress he felt at going to Iraq were analogous to a sleeping pill and booze. Harmless by themselves but when combined there were deadly results?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    One has to ponder this in the context of his alleged "Islamic Awakening." But there is also more information coming out focusing on how distraught he was over having to deploy.

    For the "Islamic Awakening" and "it's just what Muslims do" theory to hold true, why didn't he do this earlier? Why did it take the final realization of his deployment to push him to fulfill his "Islamic obligation?" Was he not a brave Musliim?

    No, what I believe happened is that he was on a downward slide into depression and when he learned all his efforts to avoid this conflict were ineffective he snapped. Was his religion an influence? Sure, but not the predominant influence. In my opinion his religion was an ancillary issue. He had plenty of opportunity to kill before, and didn't. There are too many other factors at play here that point to a Muslim who had an emotional breakdown and became a mass murderer.

    I'm simply going to need more evidence that he did this because he was a Muslim and not because he was a crazy person who is Muslim.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Maybe Hasan's religious jihad and the stress he felt at going to Iraq were analogous to a sleeping pill and booze. Harmless by themselves but when combined there were deadly results?
    This is a distinct possibility. If he in fact embraced (I mean really embraced it...such as encouraging others to do so, celebrating specific actors, not just rationalizing it on his blog) a militant, violent approach to jihad. Given the weight of the evidence supporting an incredible emotional crisis he was dealing with, it's entirely possible that he transitioned from a peaceful Muslim to taking up violence...but that would be more likely due to his emotional state than his religion.

    Whatever the case, this slide into violence took time to build up. The information points in that direction. He was exhibiting warning signs of emotional crisis. We can't say that this crisis didn't influence his internet postings either. I think he was more desperate than he was a militant religious fanatic.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    And let me emphasize this so there can be no misunderstanding...I think this guy is a piece of **** scumbag mother ****er who should have been killed. My fear is that his emotional instability will be a factor in him escaping proper justice.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And let me emphasize this so there can be no misunderstanding...I think this guy is a piece of **** scumbag mother ****er who should have been killed. My fear is that his emotional instability will be a factor in him escaping proper justice.
    I'm glad he wasn't killed as he has some explaining to do, as the Rev. said yesterday.

    I heard he is paralyzed as a result of his wounds.

    Fort Hood Suspect in Stable Condition but Paralyzed, Nidal Hasan, shooting, - 11/06/09 - Fresno News - abc30.com
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