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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post

    Lol
    Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.

    Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago
    LOL Indeed.
    The old IRRELEVANT Apologism of HISTORIC christianity (Crusades/Inquisition, etc) vs CURRENT Islam.


    Wanted: a Muslim Reformation
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    No religion has a monopoly on violence. Christianity has the Spanish Inquisition and the bloody excesses of the Crusades...."

    But it will Not do to take the Politically Correct course and Lump all Religions in the Same basket, at least not insofar as our own era is concerned.
    Christian civilization underwent a Reformation in the 16th century, embraced the Enlightenment with its intellectual and theological pluralism, separated Church from State and encouraged scholarship and democracy. Judaism has followed a similar process -- as have, more recently, the faiths of the far East.
    Islam, on the other hand, is still struggling with this transition. And if there is to be peace in the Middle East and an end to terror worldwide, Muslims must accept that their faith is overdue for a doctrinal overhaul...."


    "....Christianity still has its fanatical, bigoted elements. But those Christians who advocate the slaughter of non-believers make up an almost imperceptibly tiny fraction of the faithful. Much is made of the intolerant pronouncements of high-profile evangelists. A few deranged anti-abortion snipers aside, however, this is just talk. Even terrorists that claim to be part of the Christian world-- such as Spain's Basque extremists and America's Timothy McVeigh-- typically do not operate under any sort of religious aegis.

    By contrast, a Large minority of the world's one billion Muslims still adhere to militant interpretations of their faith, including the Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam, centred in and spread by Saudi Arabia. These interpretations all embrace as a central tenet the duty of jihad -- which, despite whitewashing efforts in the West, continues to mean what it has meant since the 7th century: the slaughter or forced conversion of non-Muslim "infidels." With few exceptions -- such as old-school Palestinian terrorists who cling to Marxist rhetoric -- Muslim terrorist groups all explicitly take Islam as their inspiration. Osama bin Laden is a Hero to Hundreds of Millions of Muslims, and al-Qaeda continues to receive financing from a wide array of Muslim charities.
    Christians kill. Jews kill. Hindus kill.
    But no other faith group on the planet has embraced random slaughter in anything approaching the manner of radicalized Muslims.

    The mainstream Arabic media is shot through with the most extreme sort of Hatred...
    "Muslim advocacy organizations in the West, including Canada's own Canadian Islamic Congress, typically reject the claim that there is a problem with contemporary Islam, preferring to lay the world's problems at the feet of Israel and U.S. foreign policy.

    Indeed, any Critical Scrutiny of their Religion is decried as "Bigotry"..... But it is evident these commentators are putting pride of faith above Truth.
    The celebrations in the Islamic world on Sept. 11, 2001...."


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
    Is religion the only factor driving the conflict in the Sudan. Answer carefully.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh yeah. Nevermind that, huh?
    Erm ... yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not going to lie and say that I have the slightest clue on the day to day happenings in Sudan.
    My news is dominated with other stories.


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    We are veering terribly far afield here. Let's rein it in shall we? Let's get back to the subject of the thread. Hasan and his act of violence in the name of Allah.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Lol
    Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
    Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago




    What's Jesus doing in a grave? o.O
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I've been asking essentially the same question from the beginning. Why did this guy kill? Terrorism is a very deliberate act with specific goals beyond a simple desire to kill. The motivations are based in something other than personal vendetta or some kind of emotional breakdown. Religion and politics come to mind.

    Religion is an obvious factor, it's the degree the religion played in his decision to carry out this act that makes or breaks the some of the arguments here. Was it an act of jihad or was it a Muslim who simply had a mental meltdown and snapped...deciding to kill those who he felt were persecuting him personally? This could have very well been a suicide by cop/MP/soldier thing. It doesn't matter that he was a soldier and a psychologist. He can still become depressed about his life and that can turn to violence. It happens almost daily in the U.S. In fact it's much more common than acts of religion fueled homicide.
    It honestly sounded to me like he snapped. It seems to me that if his religion was a huge factor in the motivation that it would have been far more coordinated and organized. Then again, who knows for sure?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I've been asking essentially the same question from the beginning. Why did this guy kill? Terrorism is a very deliberate act with specific goals beyond a simple desire to kill. The motivations are based in something other than personal vendetta or some kind of emotional breakdown. Religion and politics come to mind.

    Religion is an obvious factor, it's the degree the religion played in his decision to carry out this act that makes or breaks the some of the arguments here. Was it an act of jihad or was it a Muslim who simply had a mental meltdown and snapped...deciding to kill those who he felt were persecuting him personally? This could have very well been a suicide by cop/MP/soldier thing. It doesn't matter that he was a soldier and a psychologist. He can still become depressed about his life and that can turn to violence. It happens almost daily in the U.S. In fact it's much more common than acts of religion fueled homicide.





    He wrapped himself in the beliefs and the actions of the islamic terrorist, to rationalize a justification for this mass murder spree...


    That said, still terrorism to me, as he took up a cause, whether it was for sincere or superficial reasons.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Cause is not the same as Defense.

    If that's your definition of defense, then every person in this thread saying the cause was singularly religion are also defending him, because its religions fault not his fault...by your logic.

    Stating reasons WHY someone may do something is not DEFENDING what they do.
    He was defending the guy, because this is the post he was responding to.

    Originally Posted by GySgt
    Immigrant parents of Palestine have quite an impact about the Israeli issue on their children (Palestinian children are encouraged to walk on the Star of David in their schools). Being "made fun of" is a pathetic excuse. He had deep torn feelings about fighting in a war where Muslims were the enemy. Perhaps he got far more pressured harassment from his parents post 9/11.

    So this is to go down as a "School shooting" where the nerd had a bully problem? All other factors are to be shoved as far away as possible....until the next time....again? This is going to have so much media BS on this.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What oath is used today by Christians committing violence in Jesus' name?
    The oath for the last time is not and was never intended to be used in violence!


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Is religion the only factor driving the conflict in the Sudan. Answer carefully.
    So, what are you saying? It's only a coincidence that Christians are being slaughtered by Muslim Militias?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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