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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Lol
    Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
    Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago
    Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, ok. Here's one, right here.

    It's not his fault, it's the fault of, "those who have harrassed him...", and the fault of, "the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare..."

    I rest my case.
    Cause is not the same as Defense.

    If that's your definition of defense, then every person in this thread saying the cause was singularly religion are also defending him, because its religions fault not his fault...by your logic.

    Stating reasons WHY someone may do something is not DEFENDING what they do.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
    **** knows.
    Who keeps up with Sudan?


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You would think that with that many Muslims in the world, they could quell the violence within their own reigion.
    Like it's that easy? The majority of peaceful Muslims are no more capable than we are at quelling the violence in their own religion.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You would think that with that many Muslims in the world, they could quell the violence within their own reigion.
    I'm not a soldier.

    I do enough in my own community. What else do people actually expect me to do? Don a hat and a gun and go hunting for terrorists in Pakistan?


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    **** knows.
    Who keeps up with Sudan?
    Oh yeah. Nevermind that, huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Lol
    Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
    Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago
    What oath is used today by Christians committing violence in Jesus' name?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, this is one of the issues with this war. Nothing makes sense. Case in point....

    You're saying now that anyone that takes a criminal action for the same cause of the enemy is not doing a criminal act, or an act of war, but is doing a terrorist act.

    Excuse my quoting independently but I want to address all your points.

    No, blogging about pro-islamic fundamentalist issues, whether you are sincere or using it for an excuse for your sociopathic responses, becomes a terrorist attack.


    So therefore all those people setting off IED's or that have attacked our embassy in Iraq after the invasion are not acts of war but terrorist acts.


    Now here you bring up a good point, perhaps this was an "act of war" as it was on a military base, though he attacked unarmed troops, and thier families, I think its still the latter.



    But when I point out that we didn't have any attacks on our land from 1993 to 2001 I get told that the embassy bombings count as "our land", but they don't count when they've happened in the past 8 years because those aren't terrorist acts but actions of war.
    huh?




    It seems people are wanting it both ways, being able to call anything terrorism or not terrorism how it suits them for the argument their making.

    I would say, had he not used his blog, and his apparent comments and arguments as his impetus for his rampage, then it would simply be a sociopath and a trigger....




    So what you're saying is that anyone that commits a criminal act because they agree with the enemy, they're a terrorist?

    Not at all. I am saying, perhaps, he is not a terrorist, the fact that he used all these trapppings of the enemy, that he indeed became a terrorist, if only for a brief time. From an article:

    Neighbors described Hasan as a quiet man who began wearing "Arabic clothing" in recent weeks. Edward Windsor, a neighbor, never suspected Hasan was in the Army. Hasan's rank surprised Windsor who would never have imagined an officer with a rank of major would have lived in an apartment that rents for $350 and houses soldiers ranked as private first class.



    I think in recent weeks, he became the very thing, a terrorist, they all gotta start somewhere...

    That said, I think his deployment orders, were his trigger, and he took these trappings of the terrorist to get "right with in his mind" what he was planning to do.


    So a kid spray painting "Stop this illegal war", which is a belief the terrorists share, is a terrorist cause he's taking up their cause? Yes, that's going to an extreme, but you've given me no other real criteria to go off of.

    Sorry, unless he's actually found to be CONNECTED to that group in some way shape or form, to me this is an obvious and clear act of MASS MURDER....just like columbine, or the museum shootings, or all other mass shootings in recent memory.

    Unless there comes out some evidence he's connected to a terrorist cell, has some things in place after that was hoping to send a political message, or he was specifically targetting civilians on the base to inspire fear in them, there's nothing here that shows me "terrorism".


    I will agree that a connection would increase the position, but, i don't think its required.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Also...

    could someone tell me why this is terrorism and not a mass murder?

    if this was done by a christian, or an athiest, who disagreed with the war and us being over there would it be a "terrorist" act.

    Sorry, I've never seen any definition of a terrorist act as "Any murder done by a muslim"

    Why is this terrorism?

    It didn't seem intended by anything that's came out so far to send a political message through fear. It wasn't targetting civilians. There's been zero evidence thus far of being tied to any actual terrorist groups.

    Why is this terrorism?
    I've been asking essentially the same question from the beginning. Why did this guy kill? Terrorism is a very deliberate act with specific goals beyond a simple desire to kill. The motivations are based in something other than personal vendetta or some kind of emotional breakdown. Religion and politics come to mind.

    Religion is an obvious factor, it's the degree the religion played in his decision to carry out this act that makes or breaks the some of the arguments here. Was it an act of jihad or was it a Muslim who simply had a mental meltdown and snapped...deciding to kill those who he felt were persecuting him personally? This could have very well been a suicide by cop/MP/soldier thing. It doesn't matter that he was a soldier and a psychologist. He can still become depressed about his life and that can turn to violence. It happens almost daily in the U.S. In fact it's much more common than acts of religion fueled homicide.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Like it's that easy? The majority of peaceful Muslims are no more capable than we are at quelling the violence in their own religion.
    I've head all the excuses, but itnever fails, when someone criticizes Islam, the Muslims are out in force. Why they can't muster up that kind of protest against Islamic extremists doesn't make Muslims look good. All we hear from the Muslims is lip service in their condemnation of Muslim terrorists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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