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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Many chose/HAD to ignore this potential Bombshell...
    (and I found it after searching a CNN recitation)

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    Perhaps not the same Nidal Hasan? BUT!

    Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree? MediaElites




    Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree?

    Posted by Steve Huff, Nov 5, 2009

    UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: Sources tell the Associated Press that Nidal Malik Hasan came “to their attention at least Six Months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.”
    So… read on.

    Original post made at 7:37 p.m.

    We should really, really keep in mind the possibility that Nidal Hasan may not be as uncommon a name as the average American might assume.

    Still, an interesting comment was made by a “NidalHasan” on May 20, 2009 on a document published on the document hosting service, Scribd.com. The document was titled, “Martyrdom in Islam vs. Suicide Bombing.” (Martyrdom in Islam Versus Suicide Bombing) Regarding the content of the document, “NidalHasan” wrote the following (http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan):

    "There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate.
    Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.

    If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory.
    Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland.

    You can call them crazy if you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best."
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Many chose to ignore this potential Bombshell...


    Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree? MediaElites
    Who ignored it? What is it you have proven with this? Did this gunman commit suicide? Did he martyr himself?

    Please, give us some more insight here.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Who ignored it? What is it you have proven with this? Did this gunman commit suicide? Did he martyr himself?

    Please, give us some more insight here.
    He certainly potentially Martyred himself!
    He almost died trying but is alive.

    I post PLENTY of insight.. you post NOTHING but empty scepticism of fact-filled posts.
    Where is your info or insight?

    Really, what Despicable and utterly Bankrupt tactics on your part.

    Hypocritical 100% empty trash wanting me to write a book/post link after link and plenty of knowledcge... while you post NOTHING.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    What I already suspect and know? We don't all think like you.....
    And I have never expected you to. I sometimes forget that my world is seperate from most. What is obvious for me is not obvious for most.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You can right off my fifteen years of law enforcement, much of which was spent investigating violent offenders and actually gathering facts about motives and causes, and just say "well you know what you're thinking, you know what you believe."
    So keep the streets safe from gangs. Terrorism and military "snappery" is my world of understanding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Not necessarily. A militant enemy may in fact simply be an insurgent group that strikes against foreign occupiers because they're foreign occupiers. In that case you're as much an "extremist" as they are.
    And this proves my point. Philosophy has no place in war. Maybe it brings the street gangs closer together. I don't know. But labeling us all as an "enemy" does nothing to win wars. There's winners and losers. Freud doesn't have a couch in the room.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What? The civilization? No Gunny, it's not "the civilization" that breeds "this enemy." It's an element within society. There are literally hundreds of millions of Muslims who've never lifted a finger in jihad nor ever will. Because they choose not to. There are religious extremists within Islam who prey upon at risk Muslims. It's very deliberate and it's very systematic. It's also a very minority situation. You cannot prove otherwise.
    Hmmm...hundreds of millions of Muslims should be able to sudbue those who smear their religion shouldn't it? If it's just a few, I mean, what's the problem? Egyptian, Saudi, and Syrian militaires (in which the west has built) should be able to combat those in Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq who pervert their most sacred beliefs and make the world feel defensive shouldn't they?

    But they don't. There is more to this than pretending that a handful of "rogues" are the enemy. Now, the civilization is not our enemy. But it is our problem. And pretending that the civilization is not the problem is foolish. You can lock up every gang member in a neighborhood but in the end, unless you deal with the corruption, poverty, and misery that exists in the neighborhood, the gang member will continue to be produced. The gang member now becomes a symptom of something else you won't deal with.



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    How much do you know about Adolf Hitler Gunny?
    He had a mustache and liked long walks on the beach. It say's so on his website. Let's not pretend that all of Germany were hapless victims as they benefitted and prospered in the riches "Hilter" brought home.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Many chose/HAD to ignore this potential Bombshell...
    (and I found it after searching a CNN recitation)


    Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree? MediaElites
    Nobody is "ignoring" this information - I posted that link 5 hours ago:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058347915
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Nobody is "ignoring" this information - I posted that link 5 hours ago:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058347915
    So you're in denial or tried to pre-spin a link which is COUNTER to all your subsequent posts.
    Self-Impeached.
    Congrats!
    ...and of course I gutted you on the Link for the hundreds of deaths (intentional AND International, LOL) by Islam.. and another post in my own words doing the same.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I know a great deal about what goes on beyond our shores from hands on experience, but I'm a civilian and I've never served as a soldier. You can have worldly experience that doesn't require you to have served.

    You are correct. But just how common do you think you are for Americans?

    How many Americans ever fed the starving or secured the feeding of them? I'm not talking about the bum down the street. I'm talking about a society? How many have seen true evil in this world? Moron philosophers of ancient Rome may have been recorded as stating that there is no such thing as "evil," but my eyes have proven them full of philosophical ****.


    For the vast prescription of what I speak of, it requires deployed military service in either the Marine Corps, the Green Navy, or the Army.

    And when I state that this piece of garbage (my enemy, which is supposed to be America's enemy) has behaved absolutely in accordance to what an Islamic extremists would be proud about, you can take that to the bank. This man did not just wake up on the wrong side of the bed.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    So you're in denial or tried to pre-spin a link which is COUNTER to all your subsequent posts.
    Please explain how this is "counter to all my subsequent posts."

    As I said hours ago, if this information is true, it's probable that his religion played a part in all this. However, given the amount of incorrect information that has been tossed around today, I'm reserving judgment until we know more. I'm not sure how my position has changed.

    What I did disagree with is the ridiculous attempt by you, David Duke, tex, etc. to draw sweeping conclusions about all Muslims based on the actions of this individual. I don't think there's any more information about this guy that's going to change that.

    ...and of course I gutted you on the Link for the hundreds of deaths (intentional AND International, LOL) by Islam.. and another post in my own words doing the same.
    Not particularly, as explained here:

    However, I'm not sure that makes your statement any less false. First, it suffers from the obvious flaw involved in lumping every murder by someone who is a Muslim under the heading "deaths caused by Islam." Plenty of those incidents are driven by things other than religion. Second, if you define categories broadly enough, there are other things that cause more violent deaths. The drug trade was responsible for almost 6,000 deaths in Mexico alone in 2008.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    I posted DOCUMENTATION (2 links, one on demand, and fact filled post of my own) for my claims on Islam.

    You couldn't rebut them.. nor could anyone.

    Islam DOES have an inordinate problem with Violence and literalism to a book of the same.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    There is a convience store video on the news that shows the shooter this morning shopping in traditional muslim garb. White pants, long white shirt past his knees and the muslim hat thing.

    Not that it means anything...but the video and the timing of it doesn't look so good.

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