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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    So a psychiatrist had special training in shooting?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Why because it stifles the right to bigotry and racism?
    Responsible news-persons would examine all plausible possibilities.

    Muslims in the military mass-killing their fellow soldiers for religious/social reason has precedent.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by metreon View Post
    Given that this is an army base and just about everyone would have access to combat weapons, and be dressed in uniform, I wonder if some may have died from friendly fire in the confusion, - perhaps the previously reported "shooters" were simply unfortunate defenders trying to shoot someone they thought was the shooter.

    The reason I am guessing this is because none of the most recent reports makes any mention of more than one shooter. All are referring to the Major as the only gunman.
    Soldiers don't run around on post with loaded firearms. Only the MPs and hired security carry loaded weapons, and those at ranges. All weapons are kept in locked facilities when not used, separate from ammo. So it's not a cowboy free for all where soldiers are running around hunting the shooters.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Well, I've lived right near it all my life, and trust me, it is.
    Anyway, i was talking about gangs within the army.
    Some recruits don't necessarily drop their gang affiliations/ loyalties once they enlist, from what I've heard.
    Hell, a soldier from Arkansas was killed on a base in Germany last year, beaten to death by other soldiers who were "jumping him in" to the Crips.
    I know they've cracked down on any suspected gang activity within the ranks since then, but I'm sure some slips by.
    These are teenage boys and young men.
    Stupidity doesn't always stop with enlistment.
    I've heard all those stories. I've even seen some tattoos, but I never saw any of that openly displayed and as late as 2000, think it was rare within the ranks. I ceartainly enver saw any overt displays such as this from alledged gang bangers. I have seen some self proclaimd gang bangers make treats against officers and NCO's. Most of them wound up in the hospital within a few hours.

    I just can't see a street gang having the nuts to do something like this. I don't care what kind of presence their members have within the ranks.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So a psychiatrist had special training in shooting?
    Maybe not...but a army major shipping out to Iraq sure the hell would.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    gangsters kill other gangsters. They usually stick to their own turf wars.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Maybe not...but a army major shipping out to Iraq sure the hell would.
    I wouldn't call the training special. I mean other than normal proficiency, what else would a psyciatrist get? No special weapons or anything.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wouldn't call the training special. I mean other than normal proficiency, what else would a psyciatrist get? No special weapons or anything.
    So are you saying he only gets what they offer and he could not have requested special training aside from regular weapons training?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've heard all those stories. I've even seen some tattoos, but I never saw any of that openly displayed and as late as 2000, think it was rare within the ranks. I ceartainly enver saw any overt displays such as this from alledged gang bangers. I have seen some self proclaimd gang bangers make treats against officers and NCO's. Most of them wound up in the hospital within a few hours.

    I just can't see a street gang having the nuts to do something like this. I don't care what kind of presence their members have within the ranks.
    Yeah, I wasn't saying the shooter was a gang member (especially now that we know he's a middle-aged psychiatrist); I just said that was my initial suspicion.
    I am glad to hear that open gang activity isn't tolerated in the army; I had heard that thievery and petty pilfering were rampant during training.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    For a gangbanger to kill a rival gangbanger in the service one has to be selective.

    There is nothing selective about rolling a grenade in to a tent full of your fellow servicemen.

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