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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    There is no doubt that his extremist views played a factor in what happened. Was it the ONLY factor. Who knows? I'm certainly not going to jump to conclusions.
    There may have been other factors, but the bottom line is, the man committed this crime in the name of his religion, and to ignore that fact is asinine.


    To blame all of Islam for this is completely absurd. That was my point.
    I agree... and I for one, do not blame the entire religion of Islam for terrorism.

    There are things in that video he said, that I don't agree with. For one, he said the problem was "Islam", when he should have said "radical Islam". I don't know whether he mis-spoke or not, but what he said about how this is being white washed by the media and the administration, is dead on.



    In the video you posted, that guy essentially criticized Obama for not jumping to conclusions even though the investigation is still ongoing and being an anti-Muslim jackass like he was. Boo hoo...
    Come on... You can't be serious here?

    Do you mean to tell me, that all the witnesses that heard what he said, all the people who knew him and his beliefs prior to the shooting, and all the evidence of his communications with radical Islamic leaders, all paints a false or deceiving picture of who this guy was and what his motives were?

    There hasn't been one person that was close to the man that has stepped up and said that his beliefs (not religious) were any different.

    As for "jumping to conclusions", I seem to remember a certain incident with a cop and a black college professor Obama had no problem coming to a conclusion about, that unlike this incident, he had NO INFORMATION about.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    There may have been other factors, but the bottom line is, the man committed this crime in the name of his religion, and to ignore that fact is asinine.
    And I'm not arguing that his religion didn't play a major role, if not the entire role for what happened. It's obviously a factor. How big of one remains to be seen.

    I agree... and I for one, do not blame the entire religion of Islam for terrorism.
    Okay good. Some people on here do and I wasn't sure.

    There are things in that video he said, that I don't agree with. For one, he said the problem was "Islam", when he should have said "radical Islam". I don't know whether he mis-spoke or not, but what he said about how this is being white washed by the media and the administration, is dead on.
    Exactly and I agree with this as well.



    Come on... You can't be serious here?

    Do you mean to tell me, that all the witnesses that heard what he said, all the people who knew him and his beliefs prior to the shooting, and all the evidence of his communications with radical Islamic leaders, all paints a false or deceiving picture of who this guy was and what his motives were?

    There hasn't been one person that was close to the man that has stepped up and said that his beliefs (not religious) were any different.
    No, I'm just saying that people shouldn't criticize Obama for not jumping to conclusions and waiting for the investigation to be finished before making absolute comments one way or another in this particular instance.

    As for "jumping to conclusions", I seem to remember a certain incident with a cop and a black college professor Obama had no problem coming to a conclusion about, that unlike this incident, he had NO INFORMATION about.
    I agree. That is certainly something that Obama is worthy of criticism for. His comments were unfounded and certainly were made in an unprofessional manner.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    I blame the ease of misinterpretation of Islam for this. I mean, you don't really have to stray all that far from the text to turn "Religion of Peace" into 9/11.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Religion has always been, and will forever remain, a double edged sword.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Getting back on topic I think now that there can be no question that he is a terrorist and committed and act of terrorism against this country...........Anyone that does not believe that is just kidding themselves
    Had anybody said nothing but that ?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Thanks for answering my question.

    Islam is like the other desert religions, ie., a mixture of compassion and viciousness. So I don't hold the tenets of Islam responsible as the cause of the death of my brothers and sisters at the hands of your co-religionist.

    However, that doesn't end the inquiry. The question posed is how can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?

    Have you paid attention to the news this year. There is a steady drumbeat of planned attacks by Muslim Americans against non-Muslim Americans in the name of Islam. There was a recent shoot out between groups of young Muslim American men and the FBI.

    I notice that Hindu Americans, Buddhist Americans, Jain Americans, Jewish Americans, Animist Americans, Christian Americans (except for the abortion murderer), Sikh Americans, Atheist Americans and Agnostic Americans, have not attempted to commit mass murder in the name of their religions or beliefs during the last decade. The attempted mass murderers come from a single community. From this I have concluded that there are some people in that community who are the deadly enemies of my brothers and sisters.

    So I say to you how can my brothers and sisters be protected without compromising the US Constitution? Saying that my brothers and sisters must simply absorb the mayhem will not be accepted as a polite response.
    Yes, the still unanswerable question is "How can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?"

    I couldn't answer that question simply because I don't know or I can't Imagine the real motives for them to do that .
    I always thought that the American-Muslims holds less or no hatred to the US since they do live there, and for me I see no problem with Americans (and so does the majority), or they aren't that bad that they got killed because a Muslim said so according to imaginary wrong thoughts in his mind or whatever .
    So the point is how me as Muslim and Middle Eastern got no hatred to thousands miles away people while someone lives with them and wants them dead. There must be something wrong either with Americans or with the teachings they get over there , and I don't support the two opinions .

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Arm yourself with knowledge and firearms. Never have two greater weapons in the defense of one's self and property been devised. Well, Potato cannons are good too.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Military Doctors Worried Hasan Was 'Psychotic,' Capable of Killing Fellow Soldiers.

    U.S. military doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan's medical training were concerned he was "psychotic" and possibly capable of killing other American soldiers, before the Army major allegedly went on a deadly shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas.

    Psychiatrists and medical officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center held a series of meetings beginning in the Spring of 2008 to discuss serious concerns about his work and behavior, National Public Radio reported.

    One of the questions they asked: Was Hasan psychotic?

    "Put it this way," one official told NPR. "Everybody felt that if you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, you would not want Nidal Hasan in your foxhole."

    One official who participated in the discussions reportedly told others he was worried that if Hasan was deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, he might leak covert military information to Islamic extremists, NPR reported.

    Another official "wondered aloud" to colleagues whether Hasan might be capable of killing fellow soldiers in the same way a Muslim sergeant in 2003 had set off grenades at a base in Kuwait, killing two and wounding 14, the radio network reported.

    The officials who discussed Hasan's status were unaware as some top Walter Reed hospital officials were that intelligence agencies had been tracking Hasan's e-mails to a radical imam since December 2008, NPR said.

    Officials considered kicking Hasan out of the program but chose not to partly because firing a doctor is a "cumbersome and lengthy" process that involves hearings and potential legal conflict, sources told NPR.

    Officials also believed they lacked solid evidence that Hasan was unstable and were concerned they could be accused of discriminating against him because of his Islamic identity or views.
    Wow, so his was showing signs of being psychotic early on. Huh, I just can't imagine that.

    This article also serves to damn several military officials for failing to do their goddamned duty.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I blame the ease of misinterpretation of Islam for this. I mean, you don't really have to stray all that far from the text to turn "Religion of Peace" into 9/11.
    The problem is that this holds true for virtually ALL religions throughout history. Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam have all been used as an excuse for genocide. So, then, the question becomes: Is religion the cause, or is humanity the cause?

    Is religion just a means of allowing humans to act out their inherent tribalism and prejudice agains "the other"?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wow, so his was showing signs of being psychotic early on. Huh, I just can't imagine that.

    This article also serves to damn several military officials for failing to do their goddamned duty.
    You were in the military, why would his command staff ignore such obvious problems?

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