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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters offers a bit of clarity about how this situation is being handled.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCOoatudP4"]YouTube- Ralph Peters "Offended" By Obama Ft. Hood Speech, Slams George Casey[/ame]

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters offers a bit of clarity about how this situation is being handled.


    YouTube- Ralph Peters "Offended" By Obama Ft. Hood Speech, Slams George Casey
    So he pretty much said the same anti-Muslim crap that's been going around thus far by many others on the far right. What a big surprise.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    So he pretty much said the same anti-Muslim crap that's been going around thus far by many others on the far right. What a big surprise.
    Your joking right?

    The fact is, the man that committed this killing spree was a radical Muslim that murdered those people in the name of Islam.

    Those are the facts pal... DEAL WITH IT!

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Folks,

    We're lost as a people. We can't bring ourselves to utter the name of the group who have repeatedly tried, and sometimes succeeded, in killing American citizens on American soil.

    No one serious is suggesting that the desert religion called Islam is responsible. But at the same time no serious person is denying that over the last decade we have experienced a series of attempted acts of terrorism by people who are acting in the name of their deity.

    If we had experienced an unending series of attempted attacks by people like Timothy McVeigh I would suggest that we have a problem with some Christians committing acts of terrorism in the name of their god. And no one on this forum would have the slightest problem with this characterization. That's because xtianity is not protected by the mantle of political correctness.

    There is a problem we have with an enemy within. The enemy is not Islam. The enemy is those people who commit savage acts of terrorism against their fellow Americans based on the belief that to do so some how serves their god.

    I ask over and over again how can we prevent radicalized American Muslims from becoming "Lone Wolf" terrorists from killing our brothers and sisters without violating the Constitution? People on the Right don't seem to be concerned with the Constitution, but the people on the Left seem to think that American citizens on American soil should simply absorb the death and mayhem. We are lost as a people.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Your joking right?

    The fact is, the man that committed this killing spree was a radical Muslim that murdered those people in the name of Islam.

    Those are the facts pal... DEAL WITH IT!

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    He was on a notoriously conservative-slanting show, Hole'Reilly's show isn't the best place to debut "facts" unless you only want to appeal to conservatives or maybe hope that MSNBC will pick up clips and use them to vilify the right. Not many people are going to see this as "factual" or objective, Grim.

    And as much as I trust the judgment of military personnel, they can be subjective too.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Folks,

    We're lost as a people. We can't bring ourselves to utter the name of the group who have repeatedly tried, and sometimes succeeded, in killing American citizens on American soil.

    No one serious is suggesting that the desert religion called Islam is responsible. But at the same time no serious person is denying that over the last decade we have experienced a series of attempted acts of terrorism by people who are acting in the name of their deity.

    If we had experienced an unending series of attempted attacks by people like Timothy McVeigh I would suggest that we have a problem with some Christians committing acts of terrorism in the name of their god. And no one on this forum would have the slightest problem with this characterization. That's because xtianity is not protected by the mantle of political correctness.

    There is a problem we have with an enemy within. The enemy is not Islam. The enemy is those people who commit savage acts of terrorism against their fellow Americans based on the belief that to do so some how serves their god.

    I ask over and over again how can we prevent radicalized American Muslims from becoming "Lone Wolf" terrorists from killing our brothers and sisters without violating the Constitution? People on the Right don't seem to be concerned with the Constitution, but the people on the Left seem to think that American citizens on American soil should simply absorb the death and mayhem. We are lost as a people.
    Because when you're being politically correct and thinking "logically" you can't honestly suggest a couple hundred thousand goat ****ers are going to bring down America, now can you?!

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Because when you're being politically correct and thinking "logically" you can't honestly suggest a couple hundred thousand goat ****ers are going to bring down America, now can you?!
    To deny what we all see with our own eyes might be politically correct, but it has a corrosive effect on the solidarity of the American people(s). People who deny what we all see are in effect telling me that we are not fellow countrymen and countrywomen. It tells me that they have no respect for my version of America. It makes me wonder why I should have respect for their version of America. The ties that bind us together are unravelling.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Your joking right?

    The fact is, the man that committed this killing spree was a radical Muslim that murdered those people in the name of Islam.

    Those are the facts pal... DEAL WITH IT!

    .
    There is no doubt that his extremist views played a factor in what happened. Was it the ONLY factor. Who knows? I'm certainly not going to jump to conclusions. To blame all of Islam for this is completely absurd. That was my point. In the video you posted, that guy essentially criticized Obama for not jumping to conclusions even though the investigation is still ongoing and being an anti-Muslim jackass like he was. Boo hoo...

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    He was on a notoriously conservative-slanting show, Hole'Reilly's show isn't the best place to debut "facts" unless you only want to appeal to conservatives or maybe hope that MSNBC will pick up clips and use them to vilify the right. Not many people are going to see this as "factual" or objective, Grim.

    And as much as I trust the judgment of military personnel, they can be subjective too.
    Jesus Christ... The man is a retired US military officer stating the obvious. Where he chose to make that statement is absolutely irrelevant.

    Because the man said it on Fox, does that invalidate his words? I think not.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Jesus Christ... The man is a retired US military officer stating the obvious.
    Which has exactly what to do with anything? Does the fact that he's a retired US military officer mean that he's incapable of being biased or partisan?

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