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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Getting back on topic I think now that there can be no question that he is a terrorist and committed and act of terrorism against this country...........Anyone that does not believe that is just kidding themselves
    How can there be "no question"??

    All I've seen was a bunch of people scared of muslims ranting on and on about what flavour of muslim he was and why he was out to kill americans??

    The reality of the situation is that IF this was the case :
    - He became a citizen
    - joined the millitary
    - became a psychiatrist
    - and then waited to be deployed
    BEFORE going out, grabbing some guns and starting to shoot up the base...

    I hate to break it to you, but the reality is that this situation most closely resembles the MO of a psychiatrist that was depressed, self-diagnosed himself a prescription of some SSRI drug that created in him a psychotic episode where he simply grabbed his guns and started shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    He didn't have to be part of a terrorist organization to fight for Allahs cause. All he had to do was read his Qur'an, be a good muslim and wage jihad. That is what is required of muslims. Read the Qur'an. Take it literally. Many a muslim do.
    Oh, so this guys guilty of being a muslim, therefore it's not a simple mass shooting, but a 'terrorist attack'... come on... seriously?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    keep not calling things what they are. The PC gods will be proud of you Arcana. Im quite wasted, becoming incoherent. blah blah blah. goodnight......................................... .................................................. ........
    Yeah, go have some coffee or sleep it off or something.

    I actually haven't made up my mind one way or the other about this guy, but I'm definitely leaning towards nutcase with a dash of Allah Akhbar thrown in.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    I disagree, the other soldiers would have been armed, he struck gold on federal land, where soldiers are not allowed to protect themselves.
    Perhaps. But something still doesn't click for me. As a sleeper cell in the military this guy had the potential to do a lot more damage than he did. Something's missing and I can't put my finger on it...
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Perhaps. But something still doesn't click for me. As a sleeper cell in the military this guy had the potential to do a lot more damage than he did. Something's missing and I can't put my finger on it...
    I can agree with this...

    Most likely he was on anti-depressants and, like the drug inserts mostly say, can cause psychotic episodes as a side-effect. The other factors are also there : A dr that can self-prescribe, secluded as an american muslim, not really wanting to go to war, among other stresses that had been discussed, are all factors that when you add in an anti=depressant has the potential to cause a person to 'snap'.

    Also, why were the issues initially reported :
    - that there were 2 or 3 other shooters
    - that he had been killed for 3 hours before being declared wounded
    ??

    I guess people rather hate-on muslims...

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Perhaps. But something still doesn't click for me. As a sleeper cell in the military this guy had the potential to do a lot more damage than he did. Something's missing and I can't put my finger on it...
    Just don't over think this, this man was obviously working himself in to a frenzy, and when the call came to go to the theater, he decided to act! It doesn't have to be a spectacular event, every time one of these people act, this is what I think people are missing. It only has to be the faith calling them to jihad, he thinks he is going to heaven, most other religions tell us, they will go to hell.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    What eva. tell that to the thousands of human bombs when you get to the afterlife.
    Every single one of them are going to hell, according to the Qu'ran, according to reputable hadiths, and according to the greatest law of the land

    MINE.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I can agree with this...

    Most likely he was on anti-depressants and, like the drug inserts mostly say, can cause psychotic episodes as a side-effect. The other factors are also there : A dr that can self-prescribe, secluded as an american muslim, not really wanting to go to war, among other stresses that had been discussed, are all factors that when you add in an anti=depressant has the potential to cause a person to 'snap'.

    Also, why were the issues initially reported :
    - that there were 2 or 3 other shooters
    - that he had been killed for 3 hours before being declared wounded
    ??

    I guess people rather hate-on muslims...
    This is just absurd, I have never seen in my lifetime, such a large number of americans, willing to defend and rationalize such a terrible act of terror!
    Just listen to yourself, or read your own words, you sound insane!

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I can agree with this...

    Most likely he was on anti-depressants and, like the drug inserts mostly say, can cause psychotic episodes as a side-effect. The other factors are also there : A dr that can self-prescribe, secluded as an american muslim, not really wanting to go to war, among other stresses that had been discussed, are all factors that when you add in an anti=depressant has the potential to cause a person to 'snap'.

    Also, why were the issues initially reported :
    - that there were 2 or 3 other shooters
    - that he had been killed for 3 hours before being declared wounded
    ??

    I guess people rather hate-on muslims...

    I've thought from the start that this whole thing made little sense. The initial weird and confusing reports only added to it. My first thought when I heard he's a psychiatrist and that he had "issues" was that he was self-medicating and that it only made his growing problems worse. But I also think that his particular brand of Islam didn't help matters at all.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Just don't over think this, this man was obviously working himself in to a frenzy, and when the call came to go to the theater, he decided to act! It doesn't have to be a spectacular event, every time one of these people act, this is what I think people are missing. It only has to be the faith calling them to jihad, he thinks he is going to heaven, most other religions tell us, they will go to hell.
    I would agree if the whole picture clearly showed that this man was a "sleeper". I don't think he was. Sure, his religion and his beliefs played a big part in the end. The reports that he was looking for a wife but couldn't find one that was pious enough and would wear hijab show that he is definitely not a moderate Muslim. He's a Fundamentalist. But this fact alone does not mean that he was involved in some kind of international terror plot. There are other signs that something else was going on.

    Unless he talks and when he does he tells the truth, we'll never really know.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    This is just absurd, I have never seen in my lifetime, such a large number of americans, willing to defend and rationalize such a terrible act of terror!
    Just listen to yourself, or read your own words, you sound insane!
    I don't think it sounds insane at all. It makes perfect sense. This is not an open and shut case of Islamic terror. There are too many things that don't add up. I have no doubt whatsoever that in the final moment right before he stood up and started shooting, his heart and mind were with his god. And that's assuming that the shouts of "Allah Akhbar" actually took place. Considering the number of false reports surrounding this case, you never know.

    But I also have little doubt that whatever made this guy snap in the end involved a whole lot more than just his religion. It was a chain reaction of small things, which taken individually seem pretty minor, but when you look at the whole picture you see warning signs all over the place.

    Read this, it's an absolutely fascinating read:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us...ruct.html?_r=1

    edit: And also, no one is defending anyone. For my part, I'm just trying to understand why this happened. If we don't try to understand how the mind of a terrorist works, we'll never be able to defeat them. Not that I'm yet saying that this guy is a terrorist. I'm just saying...just in case.
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