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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Jonah Goldberg (another bleeding heart liberal):

    Again, I am very uncomfortable with the idea that I might sound like I'm trying to diminish the guy's crimes. He committed treason and murder. It was a cowardly act. If we are at war, then it was a war crime.

    But I think the reader's definition of terrorism might move us into dangerous territory. In Pakistan, we launch missiles at people's homes with civilians in or around them to take out al-Qaeda leadership. The attacks are — hopefully — always intended to be something of a surprise. But I wouldn't call that terrorism. I'm just uncomfortable with the word terrorism metastasizing into "anything the bad guys do to us." Why not call what Hasan did a war crime? Terrorism is a war crime but not all war crimes are terrorism.

    Of course, the fact that Jihadis reject all of the rules of war makes it very difficult to figure out how to even talk about the rules. (Just out of curiosity, what would the legal definition be of, say, a Japanese officer turning on fellow Japanese troops during World War Two in the apparent hope of aiding the Allies?)

    As I said before, if terrorism is now the catchall for dastardly acts committed by Jihadis, then calling this attack terrorism works fine for me. But if this is really a war — and I think it is — then I think we could spend some more time thinking a bit more rigorously about our vocabulary. For those interested, this is a longstanding interest of mine.
    Re: Was It Terrorism? - Jonah Goldberg - The Corner on National Review Online

    More questions:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...ism/index.html

    If attacks on soldiers now qualify, how is it possible to exclude many American actions?

    p.s. These articles highlight the perils of indiscriminate usage of the term, and require nuanced thinking skills, I'm sure many of you will self-disqualify from reading them.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Seems I was wrong, this man certainly seems to be a sleeper agent, after all, if all this new information is correct.
    What new information suggests he was a "sleeper agent"?

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What new information suggests he was a "sleeper agent"?
    If he was a sleeper agent, he was a pretty loud sleeper. Didn't maintain that "below the radar" M.O. at all.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    If he was a sleeper agent, he was a pretty loud sleeper. Didn't maintain that "below the radar" M.O. at all.
    I also have seen no evidence that, if he contacted AQ, they responded and coordinated his activities. A sleeper agent implies that he was working for an organization larger than himself, and I'm not sure he was.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I also have seen no evidence that, if he contacted AQ, they responded and coordinated his activities. A sleeper agent implies that he was working for an organization larger than himself, and I'm not sure he was.
    Jihad is not limited to one group, this man committed jihad, period.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Jihad is not limited to one group, this man committed jihad, period.
    Jihad cat should start with himself.

    In all seriousness, the term "sleeper agent" has a specific meaning. If you need help with definitions, just ask us. But, that term does not appear to be accurate in this instance, unless you have further information. So, please stop using it in this context.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Pretty soon, 9/11 will have been carried out by a local New York cricket team who were playing truth or dare.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Pretty soon, 9/11 will have been carried out by a local New York cricket team who were playing truth or dare.
    Hello, Mr. Hyperbole, we've so been waiting for you to show up.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Jihad cat should start with himself.

    In all seriousness, the term "sleeper agent" has a specific meaning. If you need help with definitions, just ask us. But, NO, that term is NOT accurate in this instance, unless you have further information.
    I don't need any help....but thank you for asking.

    This man was waiting in the wings for the perfect attack, this cannot be disputed. I was out of the country, so I didn't know all the facts, but as I have read more, this has become painfully obvious to me. I actually blame the Army, the CIA, the FBI, it seems everyone knew this guy was a potential threat, but the poor people at fort hood.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    I don't need any help....but thank you for asking.

    This man was waiting in the wings for the perfect attack, this cannot be disputed. I was out of the country, so I didn't know all the facts, but as I have read more, this has become painfully obvious to me. I actually blame the Army, the CIA, the FBI, it seems everyone knew this guy was a potential threat, but the poor people at fort hood.
    You seem to getting a little emotional with this. Just take a step back, put on your objectivity hat, and when you're ready, take your time, you just come on back.






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