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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There is a major difference in posting on the internet and actually taking to the streets against the Islamists. You don't personally make that kind of commitment so it's very disingenuous of you to compare yourself to them from the safety of your U.S. house. These cells are right there among many of those population bases. We live a different life than people in Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, etc.
    I've stood toe to toe with some very large, smelly disagreeing parties to defend and denounce things. don't talk to me about being disingenuous. I've had my ass kicked over standing up for something I didn't necessarily believe in too, and while it's not threat of death, I do get off my ass and do things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And for that matter we have plenty of Muslims on this site who openly criticize radical Islamic militant groups. So by your standard there are in fact Muslims doing at least as much as you are to protest these extremists.
    I'm gonna be honest, kinda losing interest in this thread...the basement is calling me, but I see what you're saying, cultural and societal differences and all. I just figured that if the radicals were such a small percentage the least they could do as a whole is denounce them...a radical hunt wouldn't be a bad start either...Good talk! I've learned something.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Muslims allover the world got much bigger worries than hold a big banner and walk with it down the street . Its not their problem if you watch too much TV .
    Your right they have bigger worries, like protesting in mass because someone draws a cartoon picture of muhammad.

    You are a muslim. Are you angry at the islamic extreamist who fight jihad in Allahs cause?

    edit... where did you go Ahmed? why did you not answer my question?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    All we ever hear from Muslims and their infadel apologists during times like this are excuses and, "If The United States didn't fill in the blank, this might not have happened". And, that's it!
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All we ever hear from Muslims and their infadel apologists during times like this are excuses and, "If The United States didn't fill in the blank, this might not have happened". And, that's it!
    Source?

    Please?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It's in the American Conservative repertoire to group Bin Laden and Islamists in one kettle. It's sheer ignorance that is only fueled by ugly hatred.

    There's a damn good reason why Bin Laden isn't in the Middle East.
    bin Laden is just one man. There are many islamic extreamist organizations, sunni and shia. They are spread around the globe. Most of them have one thing in common. They believe they are fighting holy war for Allahs cause. And most of them have the long term goal of setting up a worldwide Islamic caliphate. They also know that this could take a very long time. Decades or even centuries. They tend to look at things in the long term.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Greater Jihad : To inhibit yourself from forbidden desires .

    Lesser Jihad : To fight your enemies inside the battlefield

    Battlefield : "A place where the battle is fought", then there must be 2 fighting parties, where the friend/foe are known . That's how all wars in Islam goes .

    About that "suicide bombers" I'd read an answer of a famous Sheikh : Bin Othaimin when asked about bomb suicide :

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    Sorry for bad translation, but the dictionary didn't help a lot.

    I'd read an article of a book called "Self-bombing, between intolerance and depression" that analyze the exact mental state of the suicide . I think that really goes with suicide bomber's mind.

    Anyway What Major Nidal did may not consider a suicide, but still forbidden in Islam for many reasons, least of them is betrayal, "how can you shoot them while they protect you".
    Thanks for answering my question.

    Islam is like the other desert religions, ie., a mixture of compassion and viciousness. So I don't hold the tenets of Islam responsible as the cause of the death of my brothers and sisters at the hands of your co-religionist.

    However, that doesn't end the inquiry. The question posed is how can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?

    Have you paid attention to the news this year. There is a steady drumbeat of planned attacks by Muslim Americans against non-Muslim Americans in the name of Islam. There was a recent shoot out between groups of young Muslim American men and the FBI.

    I notice that Hindu Americans, Buddhist Americans, Jain Americans, Jewish Americans, Animist Americans, Christian Americans (except for the abortion murderer), Sikh Americans, Atheist Americans and Agnostic Americans, have not attempted to commit mass murder in the name of their religions or beliefs during the last decade. The attempted mass murderers come from a single community. From this I have concluded that there are some people in that community who are the deadly enemies of my brothers and sisters.

    So I say to you how can my brothers and sisters be protected without compromising the US Constitution? Saying that my brothers and sisters must simply absorb the mayhem will not be accepted as a polite response.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Your right they have bigger worries, like protesting in mass because someone draws a cartoon picture of muhammad.

    You are a muslim. Are you angry at the islamic extreamist who fight jihad in Allahs cause?
    What was the percentage of Muslims that protested the cartoon picture?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    bin Laden is just one man. There are many islamic extreamist organizations, sunni and shia. They are spread around the globe. Most of them have one thing in common. They believe they are fighting holy war for Allahs cause. And most of them have the long term goal of setting up a worldwide Islamic caliphate. They also know that this could take a very long time. Decades or even centuries. They tend to look at things in the long term.
    a Shia Caliphate is like saying a British Sultan; it's plausible, but highly unlikely.

    Other than that I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Yes, there are Islamic Extremists, and yes they are militants; whether or not they want to create a Caliphate really depends on who you ask, or which organization you are talking about.

    Point of Clarification, please.
    Last edited by Arch Enemy; 11-09-09 at 11:30 PM. Reason: Got my Muslims mixed up.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's what's suspicious about Muslims... >.>

    Is it that hard to take a stand against radicals? I've seen a few great shows where a Muslim will come on and defend his faith and disown the radicals, but on average, it's like you're all just...kinda indifferent...
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    She, like Ibn Warraq, is an apostate. There are Muslims that condemn other Muslims that engage in unethical actions on both political and specifically theological grounds.

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