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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
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    relatively small number of Muslims embrace violence and an overwhelming majority do not care or show their reaction one way or another.
    Do you understand what motivates people to take up a protest against their own for doing something they don't agree with? Versus taking up protest against outsiders who condemn and attack them?

    This nation is a prime example of people who don't give a **** about most things. Our streets should have been filled with protesters for the last eight years or so based upon the actions of our leaders. But those protests were relatively few. And nobody took up arms to stop these horrible events from unraveling. Why?

    Because we were galvanized by events and guided by the media...hanging on every word coming out of the White House. We had motivation to fill the streets in support of our nation when we were attacked. But when we were doing the attacking...which much of the world condemned...we really didn't get all that wrapped around the axle.

    Do you know what the people in say Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, etc. are fed via the media? Do you know what it is they hear and read on a regular basis regarding the west?

    Most of the outside world doesn't really give a **** about us, they care about themselves. And they view us as nosy westerners at best, and militaristic war mongers at worst. Do you really think that Muslims around the world are going to be moved to put out the energy necessary to protest the actions of a small number of their kind when we in the west refuse to even be rational or logical in our reaction to the few Muslims causing all the trouble?

    The populace of the Middle East has a right to protest against the U.S. We've earned our lumps after what we've done in Iraq and for the historical mess we've made of things there (along with Europe). But the argument that "well they don't do anything about those murderous Islamists, they don't protest against them, therefore they're bad" simply doesn't fly.

    Our own intelligence agencies and U.S. military couldn't manage to sniff out a so called radical Islamist who was allegedly preaching jihad in an open forum from within their own ranks.

    Islamic terrorist organizations don't put out signage on their headquarters. They hide, they're careful. Because not all Muslims want them there. They don't want to turned into the Americans or to their own nations authorities. So they hide. They don't advertise in the local paper. Keeping in mind they are generally very well armed and at least somewhat trained in how to use their weapons, what do you really expect a bunch of peace loving, unarmed Muslims to do? Line up fifty abreast and charge the Terrorist K-Mart?

    Not all Muslims want to die for their cause, especially the peace loving ones. Why don't all mothers and fathers regularly take up arms and kill the gang members who've infested their neighborhood and ruined it with drug sales and gang violence? Why don't the Mexican citizens rise up against the drug cartels who make their streets run red with blood?
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Not that easy,
    Unfortunately, we aren't at the same restaurant .
    Second, will you go to "death" by your legs to stop it, while you know that wont affect.
    Third, I wont bother talking because I am sure as hell he wont listen, or stop as he is "mentally unstable".

    Wasn't a good example though, sorry.
    We are at the same restaurant (Chez Earth was a metaphor), dumbass. I'm not leaving this planet and neither are you. And guess what. I have retarded relatives too, and while sometimes they bug people I tell them to knock it off. The point is, some people give other people a bad name and ruin equilibrium for the rest of us.

    It was a magnificent example and you can't handle it.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Do you understand what motivates people to take up a protest against their own for doing something they don't agree with? Versus taking up protest against outsiders who condemn and attack them?
    If you'll read my eleven thousand posts, you'll find I take both sides of many arguments even against my friends. It's not hard. If I can do it, they can do it.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    We are at the same restaurant (Chez Earth was a metaphor), dumbass. I'm not leaving this planet and neither are you. And guess what. I have retarded relatives too, and while sometimes they bug people I tell them to knock it off. The point is, some people give other people a bad name and ruin equilibrium for the rest of us.

    It was a magnificent example and you can't handle it.
    Might want to tone done the language, specifically the bolded. Just FYI dude, hate to see ya get busted.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I meant race card as in, Bull**** argument based on stereotypes. twas a simile (a comparison using the words like or as).


    Most people would if they could,

    and...they do.
    I know what you meant and it wasn't a bull**** argument. It's a sound and realistic argument.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    If you'll read my eleven thousand posts, you'll find I take both sides of many arguments even against my friends. It's not hard. If I can do it, they can do it.
    There is a major difference in posting on the internet and actually taking to the streets against the Islamists. You don't personally make that kind of commitment so it's very disingenuous of you to compare yourself to them from the safety of your U.S. house. These cells are right there among many of those population bases. We live a different life than people in Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, etc.

    And for that matter we have plenty of Muslims on this site who openly criticize radical Islamic militant groups. So by your standard there are in fact Muslims doing at least as much as you are to protest these extremists.
    Last edited by Lerxst; 11-09-09 at 10:19 PM.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    We are at the same restaurant (Chez Earth was a metaphor), dumbass. I'm not leaving this planet and neither are you. And guess what. I have retarded relatives too, and while sometimes they bug people I tell them to knock it off. The point is, some people give other people a bad name and ruin equilibrium for the rest of us.
    I know what you're up to, but once I read it it jumped in my mind that "Muslims see whats happening and don't care about it" , how is that if we are a subject to the same risk too .

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    It was a magnificent example and you can't handle it.
    wtf !!!

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Might want to tone done the language, specifically the bolded. Just FYI dude, hate to see ya get busted.
    Oh yeah, oops.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    I know what you're up to, but once I read it it jumped in my mind that "Muslims see whats happening and don't care about it" , how is that if we are a subject to the same risk too .



    wtf !!!
    That's what's suspicious about Muslims... >.>

    Is it that hard to take a stand against radicals? I've seen a few great shows where a Muslim will come on and defend his faith and disown the radicals, but on average, it's like you're all just...kinda indifferent...

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's what's suspicious about Muslims... >.>

    Is it that hard to take a stand against radicals?
    When they live in the same town as you and will detonate a sedan full of explosives in front of your house or behead your son for taking that stand...yeah, it's kinda that hard.
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