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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

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    Muslims want to be fully embraced by Americans despite the baggage that comes with Muslims in general.

    Millions of Americans think the baggage is too great to abide.

    With greater numbers of Muslim comes a greater frequency of Islamic violence.
    I don't think so. In fact, I think the Muslims which come up in our society don't have baggage and are for the most part quality folk. When raised with the understanding of freedom and respect for others rights, it naturally comes that way. I would embrace more Muslims so they can be exposed to this line of thought. I think the most dangerous thing is theocracy, which is one of the big problems with Islam these days. There are too many theocracies bent on indoctrination and propaganda. There's nothing innate to a Muslim which makes them more dangerous, or violent, or whatever. Ultimately, all humans are the same.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You are claiming that 20-30% of muslims in the U.S. are radicalized? Are these recent immigrants or U.S. citizens? Do you have a source for this claim?
    A third of Muslim students back killings - Times Online

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    HEY NOW! If it ain't in the Huffington Post, it ain't news!


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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    I asked you specifically if these were AMERICANS. So, you linked to a study of BRITISH muslims?

    Does that make sense to you?

    Your claim is that 20-30% of American muslims are radicalized. How does linking to a study of British muslims (college students) prove your point? Furthermore, the young, IN GENERAL, are more likely to be radicalized than the older populations (in ALL racial/ethnic/cultural/religious groups). Try again.
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I asked you specifically if these were AMERICANS. So, you linked to a study of BRITISH muslims?

    Does that make sense to you?

    1. Your claim is that 20-30% of American muslims are radicalized. How does linking to a study of British muslims (college students) prove your point?

    2. Furthermore, the young, IN GENERAL, are more likely to be radicalized than the older populations (in ALL racial/ethnic/cultural/religious groups). Try again.
    1. American Muslims may be different, I grant you.

    2. But it is the young who are the ones who'd most likely be violent.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Muslims want to be fully embraced by Americans despite the baggage that comes with Muslims in general.

    Millions of Americans think the baggage is too great to abide.

    With greater numbers of Muslim comes a greater frequency of Islamic violence.
    You're sure confused . Muslims really want to be embraced by all societies, like how any other societies want to, the problem is that they see kind of injustice in equalizing terrorist groups or fanatics with peaceful Muslims, but am not sure if this equalization is an outcome of confusion, or its Intended .

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I asked you specifically if these were AMERICANS. So, you linked to a study of BRITISH muslims?

    Does that make sense to you?
    Those findings include and divide out the response of 26% of American Muslims’—between 18 and 29 years of age—to one of the poll questions regarding the efficacy of homicide (AKA “suicide”) bombings. This middle-class American Muslim population said that suicide bombings on US soil could be justified!
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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Actually the article said: backed killing in the name of Islam. This is a wide open subject which could mean many different things to different people.

    Are we talking about defending one's religion from an occupying force that wants to eradicate it? Are we talking about defending oneself from forcible conversion? Are we talking about killing people who insult the religion?

    As the student body president commented:
    Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain,” he said. “Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were wilfully misinterpreted.”

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    I've got to run. Discuss amongst yourselves til I return.

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    Re: 12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Some have calculated that the Pew poll-cited 26% of these 18-29 year old Muslims currently in living the US constitutes a minimum of 200,000 individuals who currently believe that the bombings are not only acceptable to them, but necessary if meant to ‘protect’ their religion.
    What would Christians do to protect THEIR beliefs? Would they fight and kill? The Fundamentalist LDS have.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 11-09-09 at 04:27 PM.

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