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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Lincoln was not considered great during his time.

    Once the emotional BS is removed and 50 years of time is past, the historians of the future will look back and OBJECTIVELY analyze the decisions made and the result of those decisions.

    I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand. You think history began the day you were born. LOL
    In 50 years we can more objectively view the past, but like I said, that is also a bit of a misnomer, as our analysis of the past is also built upon the presumptions of how we view society and the character of the decisions that are made. There is a reason why Marx impacted the study of history dramatically, and brought analysis of class structures and the struggles of classes to the forefront of historical analysis for many historians. As a result, liberals do understand history quite a bit, because many of them were some of the best historians we have had.

    Later on, our political ideology and national morality will later shape how we judge presidential administrations. Over the past several decades, Presidents who were slaveholders have been keenly analyzed in ways never before thought of, where many of us in this country now think of them as beyond redemption!

    There is a story in how we study history. It is not set in stone.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Lincoln was not considered great during his time.

    Once the emotional BS is removed and 50 years of time is past, the historians of the future will look back and OBJECTIVELY analyze the decisions made and the result of those decisions.

    I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand. You think history began the day you were born. LOL
    What did GWB accomplish that could even remotely even by the most stretched standards we viewed as a success?
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy | World | Reuters

    I don't recall one year in Bush whining about Clinton, Clinton whining about Bush, Bush whining about Reagan or Reagan whining about Carter....

    Obama needs to man up, and let go of the Bush Pacifier he's been leaning on. It's not impressing anyone. A Leader leads, inspires and takes on challenges head on, not whine about why it's so tough because of other people.
    None of the people you mentioned left their successor with a United States that was in bad shape as it is now.

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What did GWB accomplish that could even remotely even by the most stretched standards we viewed as a success?
    War on Terror

    No Child Left Behind

    Economic Bailouts

    Aid to Africa

    etc.

    These will be of the many things that could stand to evolve through time and could be judged success, mediocre, meaningless, or failure.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    War on Terror

    No Child Left Behind

    Economic Bailouts

    Aid to Africa

    etc.

    These will be of the many things that could stand to evolve through time and could be judged success, mediocre, meaningless, or failure.

    Are you serious?

    War on Terror - has been a total disaster. Starting a war that we had no business in?

    No child left behind - another disaster across the board. More children than ever have been left behind under this program.


    Economic bailouts - Do I even have to respond to this one.

    Aid to Africa - ok...but hardly what you can hang a legacy on.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    War on Terror - has been a total disaster. Starting a war that we had no business in?
    Right, we had no business with terrorism, the twin towers collapsed on their own free will

    Though to be fair I have no idea why he put the economic bailouts up there.

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Because it would be idiotic to leave out a lot that can morph into something historians look at in future generations.

    I'm sorry if you don't agree, but I put anything that thus far has been major, and allowed the possibility for on one end, for it to be measured as a success, and on the other end, for it to be judged a failure.

    I was not one who liked the Bush administration, but I am not going to be a partisan hack when it comes to these matters. Sorry, folks.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

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    Right, we had no business with terrorism, the twin towers collapsed on their own free will

    Though to be fair I have no idea why he put the economic bailouts up there.
    Are you still buying that Bush/Cheney line that Iraq was involved with 911
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you still buying that Bush/Cheney line that Iraq was involved with 911
    Don't change the topic. He said the War on Terror, he didn't say anything about Iraq.

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you still buying that Bush/Cheney line that Iraq was involved with 911
    But the administration approached the War on Terror by thinking of Iraq as a problem with regard to it. So, I wrap Iraq in with the War on Terror, despite any objections liberals or conservatives have with that, because that is how the side that eventually won the debate within the administration itself attacked the problem.
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