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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Considering you have such a poor grasp on history, I would imagine you would.

    Nixon, hated at the time, but was later seen as not a monster after emotions were no longer involved. Bush will be treated the same way, the over emotional and irrational hate spewing at him will die off and cooler heads will judge his actions on their merits and History will not have the animosity you and your ilk do. Is that to say he'll be seen later as a Reagan-esque leader of greatness? No, but he certainly will move ahead of where he is now.
    If you say so......
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy | World | Reuters

    I don't recall one year in Bush whining about Clinton, Clinton whining about Bush, Bush whining about Reagan or Reagan whining about Carter....

    Obama needs to man up, and let go of the Bush Pacifier he's been leaning on. It's not impressing anyone. A Leader leads, inspires and takes on challenges head on, not whine about why it's so tough because of other people.
    It's been one year. It's time for Obama to start using this little thing that we all call "Personal Responsibility".

    You're "Honeymoon" is officially over Obama.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post

    There isn't much to whine about when you inherit a country at peace, strong with allies, and a budget surplus.
    All created and controlled by a Republican congress. Billy just sat in his chair with a box of cigars and ole Monica to keep him busy.

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, not surprised. I think politicians try to blame everyone and thing other than themselves. And you'll of course get a lot of people forgiving Obama because "Bush did it". When Bush was in office it was "Clinton did it". It's good to see no one's grown up and demanded any amount of real accountability from government. Yay.
    There is a lot of truth in what Obama states, and what Bush stated, and there is responsibility that Obama has to accept and what Bush had to accept. Government policy is a mixture of the past and the present, with a lot of consistency from one administration to the next.

    Americans (or people in general for that matter) have difficulty understanding the role of history in shaping the present and the limitations our institutions and informal institutions place upon leaders and their decisions.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Considering you have such a poor grasp on history, I would imagine you would.

    Nixon, hated at the time, but was later seen as not a monster after emotions were no longer involved. Bush will be treated the same way, the over emotional and irrational hate spewing at him will die off and cooler heads will judge his actions on their merits and History will not have the animosity you and your ilk do. Is that to say he'll be seen later as a Reagan-esque leader of greatness? No, but he certainly will move ahead of where he is now.
    It's certainly possible, though the proper student of history would be a bit wary of making any predictions. Furthermore, our interpretations of leaders also just merely changes, not necessarily because of new evidence and newer models of analysis, but also because of our contemporary political judgments or biases.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post


    Funniest thing I've read in months!!!
    Lincoln was not considered great during his time.

    Once the emotional BS is removed and 50 years of time is past, the historians of the future will look back and OBJECTIVELY analyze the decisions made and the result of those decisions.

    I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand. You think history began the day you were born. LOL

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There is a lot of truth in what Obama states, and what Bush stated, and there is responsibility that Obama has to accept and what Bush had to accept. Government policy is a mixture of the past and the present, with a lot of consistency from one administration to the next.

    Americans (or people in general for that matter) have difficulty understanding the role of history in shaping the present and the limitations our institutions and informal institutions place upon leaders and their decisions.
    While the past certainly has influence on the present, we cannot excuse future transgressions by the sins of the past. Nor is living in the past a way to move forward.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While the past certainly has influence on the present, we cannot excuse future transgressions by the sins of the past. Nor is living in the past a way to move forward.
    Exactly.

    Bush acknowledged the conditions he inherited. Obama chose to blame his predessor for the transgressions of the entire world.

    Obama paints himself into so many illogical corners, that he has to play the Bush card again and again.

    Once you hear "Bush", you know he's out of answers. People are starting to realize that, especially the independents and blue dogs.

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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You don't remember Bush whining about Clinton?

    Hmmm....wonder why.

    There isn't much to whine about when you inherit a country at peace, strong with allies, and a budget surplus.
    Those were projected surpluses that never existed.
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    Re: One year on, Obama cites struggle with Bush legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Exactly.

    Bush acknowledged the conditions he inherited. Obama chose to blame his predessor for the transgressions of the entire world.

    Obama paints himself into so many illogical corners, that he has to play the Bush card again and again.

    Once you hear "Bush", you know he's out of answers. People are starting to realize that, especially the independents and blue dogs.
    Well, like I said, he has both. There was truth that he inherited a great deal. However, Obama certainly has arguably a bit more freedom in at least some of his choices than Bush had.
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