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Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

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Israel: commandos seize Hezbollah-bound arms ship - Yahoo! News

I wonder how this one is going to be played off. More uninforced sanctions perhaps?

JERUSALEM – Israeli commandos seized a ship Wednesday that defense officials said was carrying hundreds of tons of weapons from Iran bound for Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas — the largest arms shipment Israel has ever commandeered.
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"It's a cargo certificate that shows that it was from a port in Iran," military spokeswoman Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich said. "All the cargo certificates are stamped at the ports of origin, and this one was stamped at an Iranian port."
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Containers had Iranian shipping codes in English — "IRISL" on one side and "I.R. Iranian Shipping Lines Group" on the other. Some of the hundreds of crates lined up on the dock were open, revealing dark green missiles with English-language designations painted in black.
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-Suprized? I'm not.
 
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Benzin388 said:
Israel: commandos seize Hezbollah-bound arms ship - Yahoo! News

I wonder how this one is going to be played off. More uninforced sanctions perhaps?

-Suprized? I'm not.
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And of course the MSM gives this little coverage, what else is new? And they wonder WTF noone is buying newspapers these days. The idiots still think "it's because of the Internet," yeah right.

Stop the far leftist crap, stop treating muslims with kid gloves and holy deference, and we might start purchasing them again, and watching the news on TV from MSM sources. Otherwise, MSNBC, NY Times, et al - i.e., the garbage, can just flow right down the toilet of irrelevence.
 
Attaboys to the IDF.
 
Everyone already knew that Iran supplied weapons/funding to Hizb'allah. Why is this even news? :confused:
 
So now it is state sponsored high sea's piracy... nice.
 
PeteEU said:
So now it is state sponsored high sea's piracy... nice.
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So if the United States has intel. that Saudi Arabia is sending Al-Qaeda members in the U.S weapons via a port in Miami and we intercept that vessel, it is piracy on the part of the United States?

Please tell me you aren't serious.
 
Polynikes said:
So if the United States has intel. that Saudi Arabia is sending Al-Qaeda members in the U.S weapons via a port in Miami and we intercept that vessel, it is piracy on the part of the United States?

Please tell me you aren't serious.
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If you seize it in US waters or "friendly" waters, as in allowed by the nation in question, then no problem.

But if you seize it in international waters or in another nations waters without permission, then yes it is high seas piracy. Makes you no better than the Somali pirates.

And from this article I can read that it was "off" Cyprus and nothing indicates that Cyprus gave permission. Hence it was high seas piracy. If there was permission (which I doubt) then I have no problem with it, but as long as nothing else is stated then well..

Two wrongs does not make a right. Yes Iran sending Hizbollah weapons is bad in my book, but so is seizing a ship in another countries or international waters regardless of what is on it. So far we have only Israel's word that it was heading to Hizbollah and I trust Israel's word as much as I trust Hizbollah and Hama's word.

It is also not the first time Israel does this after all. But I guess as usual there are different rules when it comes to Israel and any other nation. I hope that we start "seizing" US ships in international waters soon, seems to be fully legal.
 
So I guess Isreal should just knowing let these weapons make it to those killers and be used aginst innocent civillians. I would like to think that any goverment would be willing to do what is necessary to stop illegal weapons from getting into the hands of people like that when they know what those weapons will be used is for. If the purpose of a Gov. is not to protect its citizens than what is it. If it was your family getting randomly targeted by those murderers I bet you would feel a little different.
 
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PeteEU said:
If you seize it in US waters or "friendly" waters, as in allowed by the nation in question, then no problem.

But if you seize it in international waters or in another nations waters without permission, then yes it is high seas piracy. Makes you no better than the Somali pirates.
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So once again we see these terrorist groups utilizing gaps in our regulatory seams to advance their cause. They hide their activities in the shadows. They use our laws against us. In this case, Iran rearming Hizbollah, by shipping weapons directly from International waters to Lebanon.

So yes, Israel may have violated laws to capture this ship. Is it in fact termed "high seas piracy"? Considering the cargo, I don't have a problem with it and if Israel needs to pay a fine of some kind, then it should do that.

I do think that shipping arms to a terrorist group is much, much, much more of a problem than any "high seas piracy" to stop it. It ought to be on the front page.
 
reefedjib said:
So once again we see these terrorist groups utilizing gaps in our regulatory seams to advance their cause. They hide their activities in the shadows. They use our laws against us. In this case, Iran rearming Hizbollah, by shipping weapons directly from International waters to Lebanon.

So yes, Israel may have violated laws to capture this ship. Is it in fact termed "high seas piracy"? Considering the cargo, I don't have a problem with it and if Israel needs to pay a fine of some kind, then it should do that.

I do think that shipping arms to a terrorist group is much, much, much more of a problem than any "high seas piracy" to stop it. It ought to be on the front page.
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Give Pete a break. He comes from a country that has hundreds of years of piracy experience. Maybe some of his ancestors were pirates.

He's just a bit sensitive about the issue. :rofl
 
PeteEU said:
Two wrongs does not make a right. Yes Iran sending Hizbollah weapons is bad in my book,
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..."but that wrong doesn't allow me to sit up here and rant and rave about my extreme hyper partisan, anti-american anti-israel, liberal agenda so I completely and utterly ignored it during my first post and the vast majority of this post to instead bash continually on Israel. But I have to put this little line in here just to cover my ass so that I have a single line to point to when people say I'm only bashing israel.
 
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* :doh Arrrggg*
 
Gill said:
Give Pete a break. He comes from a country that has hundreds of years of piracy experience. Maybe some of his ancestors were pirates.

He's just a bit sensitive about the issue. :rofl
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and which country is that?
 
Polynikes said:
So if the United States has intel. that Saudi Arabia is sending Al-Qaeda members in the U.S weapons via a port in Miami and we intercept that vessel, it is piracy on the part of the United States?

Please tell me you aren't serious.
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Yeah, but the US would most likely let them in and attack civilians. US intel is crap anyways. They know things, but don't do anything to prevent bad things from happening. Its not in the politicians interest to stop everything while in a war against "terror".
 
I saw this story yesterday, and am amazed at those who actually think that Israel was wrong to seize these weapons. Regardless of where you come down in the whole conflict, the primary function of the state is to protect its citizens and sovereignty and Israel has done this by preventing weapons from being delivered into the hands of those who wish to attack both.
 
Zyphlin said:
..."but that wrong doesn't allow me to sit up here and rant and rave about my extreme hyper partisan, anti-american anti-israel, liberal agenda so I completely and utterly ignored it during my first post and the vast majority of this post to instead bash continually on Israel. But I have to put this little line in here just to cover my ass so that I have a single line to point to when people say I'm only bashing israel.
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You are right on the mark except for one word.

It isn't a liberal agenda being pursued here. It's certainy an agenda, mind you, but it is based upon leftist dogmatism and euro style politically correct hatred rather than anything approaching liberalism.
 
rogerredy said:
Otherwise, MSNBC, NY Times, et al - i.e., the garbage, can just flow right down the toilet of irrelevence.
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Gee it was in the NYT, Wa Post, that I read the story. And just why should this be a BIG story???
 
Zyphlin said:
..."but that wrong doesn't allow me to sit up here and rant and rave about my extreme hyper partisan, anti-american anti-israel, liberal agenda so I completely and utterly ignored it during my first post and the vast majority of this post to instead bash continually on Israel. But I have to put this little line in here just to cover my ass so that I have a single line to point to when people say I'm only bashing israel.
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Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

As for Anti-Israel...

Lets look at the facts.

Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
 
PeteEU said:
Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

As for Anti-Israel...

Lets look at the facts.

Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
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Yeah, there's no difference in a rag-tag band of Somali pirates and the Israeli navy. :roll:

What are you smoking today???
 
PeteEU said:
Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

As for Anti-Israel...

Lets look at the facts.

Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
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There are pictures and videos that document the weapons transporting on the ship.
The crew of the ship has also admitted that there were weapons on that ship and said that they weren't allowed to check what's inside because that's pretty much how international trading law goes. (Only the port's authorities are allowed and are required by the law to search the cargo)

That you are willing to declare Israel as an automatic liar, ignore documentations, partake in outburst denial, and compare Israel to Iran and Syria - deals a fatal blow to your credibility in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of many others.
I wouldn't take your deceptive words for granted more than I would take Ahmedinejad's, Pete. ;)
 
Gill said:
Yeah, there's no difference in a rag-tag band of Somali pirates and the Israeli navy. :roll:

What are you smoking today???
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And it is my fault that you dont look at the over all picture? A country has forced its way on to a ship under another country's flag in the waters of a 3rd country or at best in international waters and you have no problem with this just because it is Israel vs the Arabs? Pathetic. So you would have no problem the Arabs taking a ship bound for Israel with weapons from the US?
 
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