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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Benzin388 View Post
    Israel: commandos seize Hezbollah-bound arms ship - Yahoo! News

    I wonder how this one is going to be played off. More uninforced sanctions perhaps?


    -Suprized? I'm not.
    So where did Iran get these from? It's a little odd they would manufacture these arms themselves and use English so prominently displayed.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Can all be fabricated. That does not mean I think they are, just stating a fact.
    So could 9/11, but that doesn't mean that questioning the terrorist responsibility over it does not rightfully earn one the label of a lunatic.
    Again we are to believe the Israeli's version of events.
    Just like we believe any other Western nation when they report on events.
    The pictures were after all staged for the international media on a dockside in Israel.
    I was speaking about the film and pictures taken during the raid itself, although those pictures were obviously not staged as well.
    There was grainy black and white "footage" of the raid and the kicker is now that the official line is.. they "discovered" the weapons, not that they knew they were there.. that opens up a whole bunch of questions like.. should we accept any nation for doing random "checks" on ships in other nations waters/international waters without authorisation?
    That's just outburst retarded.
    You think Israel simply plays Iny Miny Moe and randomly declares to raid a ship in international waters?
    The Mossad and many other intelligence organizations were involved and have supplied the IDF with way-over sufficient information.
    No, I question the documentations. Huge difference. I have seen the Israeli version and I have heard the Iranian/Syrian/Hisbollah version.. and I dont believe any of them further than I can throw them.
    And that's why your credibility in my eyes is non-existent.
    That you are willing to simply label documents as "fabricated" and Israel as "a liar".
    There is no reason why I should take you seriously in any future debate.
    Do I have a tad more belief in Israel than Iran/Syria/Hisbollah? yes I do, I will admit that, but that would still not change the fact that Israel yet again boarded another nations ship in a 3rd countries waters or international waters without any sort of authorisation from involved parties. This is piracy 101, regardless of who is doing it.

    That is up to you. Not my fault that you cant objectively look at the situation and support state sponsored piracy.

    Listen, if the Israelis had permission from the Cypirots.. then I would have no problem with them doing what they did, even in international waters of Cyprus. But from what we know so far, no such permission or request was given by anyone, hence I will claim it was state sponsored piracy.
    You are objecting here to the act of preventing terrorists from putting their hands on weapons that will be used to murder civilians.
    That is immoral in asinine levels, it is unexplainable and inexcusable, and shows a lot about your take on terror.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Some of our illustrious European members conveniently forget that UN Security Council Resolution 1701 forbids any and all weapon transfers to Hizb'Allah.

    Intercepting this Iran/Hizb'Allah arms shipment is in full accordance with the UN cease-fire resolution.

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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I ever say that? The only ones claiming that the weapons were heading to terrorists is Israel. And since their credibility is only slightly higher than that of Iran, then sorry if I dont take their claims at face value.
    That's where you're wrong, Israel's credibility isn't lower than any Western European nation in the world.

    You are comparing Israel's credibility here to Iran, which pretty much is repeatedly engaged in blame-games and has declared more than once that Britian, Israel, the US and many other nations are involved in occasions that have had nothing to do with those nations.

    And since you are indeed comparing between their credibility and claiming that Israel is only slightly higher than Iran's, your credibility is pretty much destroyed and zeroed.

    Nevertheless, have fun with your denial.
    IF they were weapons for terrorists, then good job, but that does still not excuse the high seas piracy. And that is the whole point. We have rules and laws that makes us different than the terrorists. Once we set aside even basic rules and laws then we are no better than the terrorists themselves and that is my problem with the whole situation.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's where you're wrong, Israel's credibility isn't lower than any Western European nation in the world.
    If the UK and Israel said contradictory things, I'd be more inclined off the bat to believe the UK. Israel's credibility isn't as high as Europe's. Israel down there is part of the same damned problem. Palestine is essentially an open air prison, and if you don't understand how that would piss a population off then there's no way you'd ever look at this issue objectively.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the UK and Israel said contradictory things, I'd be more inclined off the bat to believe the UK. Israel's credibility isn't as high as Europe's. Israel down there is part of the same damned problem. Palestine is essentially an open air prison, and if you don't understand how that would piss a population off then there's no way you'd ever look at this issue objectively.
    What does this has to do with the Palestinians?
    I'm not even going to rebuttal your off-reality claims about the Palestinians here, as this is irrelevant to say the least.

    Israel's credibility falls no short than that of any other Western nation in the world.
    Unless you're willing to explain your damaged opinion, I have no reason to waste time on that.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What does this has to do with the Palestinians?
    I'm not even going to rebuttal your off-reality claims about the Palestinians here, as this is irrelevant to say the least.

    Israel's credibility falls no short than that of any other Western nation in the world.
    Unless you're willing to explain your damaged opinion, I have no reason to waste time on that.
    Israel is not an innocent in the conflict with Palestine. They are doing some terrible things as well, bombing civilian targets just as Palestine does to Israel. Yet most people blanket dismiss the transgressions of Israel while rallying against Palestine. Your little rant here, you got it backwards. You should have to explain to me your damaged opinion, otherwise I have no reason to waste time on it. There is purposeful movement of people into scattered places around Palestine to prevent a two state solution, the movement of Palestinians is horrifically controlled and monitored, the lands the Palestinians are allowed to occupy are nothing better than open air prisons. Palestine is no innocent in this conflict, but it's not like it's 100% them either.

    As I said, if you can't understand how brutal control of one's people on their land can piss an entire people off, there is no point in considering anything that comes out of your mouth as you prove yourself incapable of objectivity. Israel's credibility is well less than that of the Western World, and even Russia. I may give them a bit more credibility than China though.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    As I said before, the Palestinians have nothing to do with this argument.
    But since you're so eager to make this another Israeli-Palestinian debate, I will have to point out at your delusional take on the situation here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Israel is not an innocent in the conflict with Palestine. They are doing some terrible things as well, bombing civilian targets just as Palestine does to Israel.
    I take it that you are from those people who believe that the NATO forces, the US and Israel are deliberately killing civilians in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan.
    That's just unsupported and a demonetization of the truth.

    Ignoring the fact that Israel the US and NATO would gain nothing from deliberately killing civilians, Israel has done more than required to look for the safety of the Gazan civilians during the operation, calling homes and dropping leaflets.
    It is ridiculously ignorant to suggest that Israel was trying to target civilians while it was warning them before every strike.
    Yet most people blanket dismiss the transgressions of Israel while rallying against Palestine. Your little rant here, you got it backwards. You should have to explain to me your damaged opinion, otherwise I have no reason to waste time on it.
    Then please do not waste your time on me and refrain from sharing with me your damaged opinions, it would only do good to both of us it'd seem.
    There is purposeful movement of people into scattered places around Palestine to prevent a two state solution, the movement of Palestinians is horrifically controlled and monitored, the lands the Palestinians are allowed to occupy are nothing better than open air prisons.
    Open air prisons is a wrong term, prison is a place where prisoners live and the Palestinians are definitely not prisoners, unlike what you may claim.
    Palestine is no innocent in this conflict, but it's not like it's 100% them either.
    There is no such thing as "share of blame".
    You do not hear about a "share of blame" between the US and Japan in their conflict during WWII.
    As I said, if you can't understand how brutal control of one's people on their land can piss an entire people off, there is no point in considering anything that comes out of your mouth as you prove yourself incapable of objectivity. Israel's credibility is well less than that of the Western World, and even Russia. I may give them a bit more credibility than China though.
    Since you cannot bring any logical argument to explain why Israel has a low credibility, there is no reason to consider anything that comes out of your mouth as the truth and your credibility is lower than that of China.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Prison is a place where prisoners are to be held. But Palestine is treated as such. Constant surveillance, closed boarders, restrictive trading, military occupation, etc. The US and NATO may not get anything out of killing civilians, yet Israel has demonstrated no moral quarrels with doing just that. As Palestine hits civilian targets, so does Israel. If killing civilians is evil, as is often professed against the actions of terrorists, than Israel shares guilt. Israel has shown a willingness to kill 10's of civilians to get to 1 or 2 terrorists. They may not "purposefully" target civilians, but they don't exactly try to miss either. You show your own damaged opinion by blanket protecting. While other wars such as the US and Japan have come to an end, this conflict between Israel and Palestine has not. Japan attacked the US, the US put an end to the conflict. After enough time elapses however, people forget the original. Was it Palestine or Israel which attacked first? Who is at fault? When conflict runs too long, the only way to stop it is for both sides to acknowledge wrong doing and pledge to put it all behind them. In other words, Israel and Palestine have to grow up. Till then, I don't support the US spending a dime on either.

    Because Israel is a biased force against an "enemy" they seek to get international sympathy for fighting, their motives thus become suspect. Since you have demonstrated a total and utter bias for Israel, unable to even acknowledge the wrongs committed (justified or not), there is no point in considering the tripe which escapes your mind. The garbage is horrifically biased, your inability to be objective makes what you say on this matter worthless tripe. Israel is not as credible as the West. They have obvious goals against a people and wish to play for public sympathy hoping all the while no one notes their own transgressions.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They may not "purposefully" target civilians, but they don't exactly try to miss either.
    This is so much bs. Have you ever been in the military? Or are you another couch warrior?

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