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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Otherwise, MSNBC, NY Times, et al - i.e., the garbage, can just flow right down the toilet of irrelevence.
    Gee it was in the NYT, Wa Post, that I read the story. And just why should this be a BIG story???

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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ..."but that wrong doesn't allow me to sit up here and rant and rave about my extreme hyper partisan, anti-american anti-israel, liberal agenda so I completely and utterly ignored it during my first post and the vast majority of this post to instead bash continually on Israel. But I have to put this little line in here just to cover my ass so that I have a single line to point to when people say I'm only bashing israel.
    Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

    As for Anti-Israel...

    Lets look at the facts.

    Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

    The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

    I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

    And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

    As for Anti-Israel...

    Lets look at the facts.

    Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

    The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

    I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

    And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
    Yeah, there's no difference in a rag-tag band of Somali pirates and the Israeli navy.

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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Anti-American? Where? Have not mentioned the US at all lol.

    As for Anti-Israel...

    Lets look at the facts.

    Israel claims one thing, Iran and Syria claim another thing. Both countries are known for "stretching the truth for political gain", so forgive me if I dont trust a word coming out of their deceptive mouths. Was there arms on the boat? Yes Israel says so... were they heading to Lebanon or Syria (the reports vary).. yes according to various sources that cant make up their minds. Iran, Syria and even Hizbollah deny any knowledge of the boat.. Do I trust them? hell no. But I dont trust Israel either.

    The only real fact we do know is that Israel hijacked the ship in another nations/international waters and brought it to Israel. Why? because Israel admits it. But when a bunch of Somali's does so, then it is piracy, but when Israel does it then it is not? That is one hell of a double standard.

    I dont blindly support either side as they are both morons and against peace. Now if that makes me some how "anti-Israel" for pointing out the facts, then it is you that has a problem and not me.

    And we have it on the news over here.. Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra, and so on. It aint headline news, but it is there.
    There are pictures and videos that document the weapons transporting on the ship.
    The crew of the ship has also admitted that there were weapons on that ship and said that they weren't allowed to check what's inside because that's pretty much how international trading law goes. (Only the port's authorities are allowed and are required by the law to search the cargo)

    That you are willing to declare Israel as an automatic liar, ignore documentations, partake in outburst denial, and compare Israel to Iran and Syria - deals a fatal blow to your credibility in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of many others.
    I wouldn't take your deceptive words for granted more than I would take Ahmedinejad's, Pete.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, there's no difference in a rag-tag band of Somali pirates and the Israeli navy.

    What are you smoking today???
    And it is my fault that you dont look at the over all picture? A country has forced its way on to a ship under another country's flag in the waters of a 3rd country or at best in international waters and you have no problem with this just because it is Israel vs the Arabs? Pathetic. So you would have no problem the Arabs taking a ship bound for Israel with weapons from the US?
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And it is my fault that you dont look at the over all picture? A country has forced its way on to a ship under another country's flag in the waters of a 3rd country or at best in international waters and you have no problem with this just because it is Israel vs the Arabs? Pathetic. So you would have no problem the Arabs taking a ship bound for Israel with weapons from the US?
    That someone would have a problem with preventing arms from reaching terrorists' hands it is itself immoral in insane levels.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There are pictures and videos that document the weapons transporting on the ship.
    The crew of the ship has also admitted that there were weapons on that ship and said that they weren't allowed to check what's inside because that's pretty much how international trading law goes. (Only the port's authorities are allowed and are required by the law to search the cargo)
    Can all be fabricated. That does not mean I think they are, just stating a fact. Again we are to believe the Israeli's version of events. The pictures were after all staged for the international media on a dockside in Israel. There was grainy black and white "footage" of the raid and the kicker is now that the official line is.. they "discovered" the weapons, not that they knew they were there.. that opens up a whole bunch of questions like.. should we accept any nation for doing random "checks" on ships in other nations waters/international waters without authorisation?

    That you are willing to declare Israel as an automatic liar, ignore documentations, partake in outburst denial, and compare Israel to Iran and Syria - deals a fatal blow to your credibility in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of many others.
    No, I question the documentations. Huge difference. I have seen the Israeli version and I have heard the Iranian/Syrian/Hisbollah version.. and I dont believe any of them further than I can throw them. Do I have a tad more belief in Israel than Iran/Syria/Hisbollah? yes I do, I will admit that, but that would still not change the fact that Israel yet again boarded another nations ship in a 3rd countries waters or international waters without any sort of authorisation from involved parties. This is piracy 101, regardless of who is doing it.

    I wouldn't take your deceptive words for granted more than I would take Ahmedinejad's, Pete.
    That is up to you. Not my fault that you cant objectively look at the situation and support state sponsored piracy.

    Listen, if the Israelis had permission from the Cypirots.. then I would have no problem with them doing what they did, even in international waters of Cyprus. But from what we know so far, no such permission or request was given by anyone, hence I will claim it was state sponsored piracy.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That someone would have a problem with preventing arms from reaching terrorists' hands it is itself immoral in insane levels.
    Did I ever say that? The only ones claiming that the weapons were heading to terrorists is Israel. And since their credibility is only slightly higher than that of Iran, then sorry if I dont take their claims at face value.

    IF they were weapons for terrorists, then good job, but that does still not excuse the high seas piracy. And that is the whole point. We have rules and laws that makes us different than the terrorists. Once we set aside even basic rules and laws then we are no better than the terrorists themselves and that is my problem with the whole situation.

    For god sake, not even the US under BUSH did what the Israelis did. North Korea has been exporting weapons to Iran and others and the only thing the US and west did was to "shadow" the ships and make the world aware of them.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So once again we see these terrorist groups utilizing gaps in our regulatory seams to advance their cause. They hide their activities in the shadows. They use our laws against us. In this case, Iran rearming Hizbollah, by shipping weapons directly from International waters to Lebanon.

    So yes, Israel may have violated laws to capture this ship. Is it in fact termed "high seas piracy"? Considering the cargo, I don't have a problem with it and if Israel needs to pay a fine of some kind, then it should do that.

    I do think that shipping arms to a terrorist group is much, much, much more of a problem than any "high seas piracy" to stop it. It ought to be on the front page.
    Seems to me that they gunrunners had to be breaking some kind of international law. I'd like to know what it was.
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    Re: Israeli commandos seize weapon shipment from Iran bound for Hezbollah

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Seems to me that they gunrunners had to be breaking some kind of international law. I'd like to know what it was.
    Oh they most likely did, IF we are to believe the Israeli version. The manifest stated civilian goods and no weapons or explosives. That in any nation is gun running not to mention a safety risk. While I dont think it is technically illegal in international waters, once the ship entered any national waters and especially a port then it would be breaking a bunch of laws. Which is why I dont understand why the IDF did not use this excuse with cooperation with the Cypriot government.../shrug, maybe we not heard the whole story yet.
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