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    Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    PORTLAND, Maine - Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

    Gay marriage has now lost in every single state 31 in all in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

    With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.

    Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law - More politics- msnbc.com
    Oh gosh. I am heartbroken and pissed about this. I really hoped this would not be repealed.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    I just dont get it to be honest.

    On one hand the US prides it self on freedom, liberty, equal rights and so on, and with the other hand it denies the very same thing to a minority of its population...

    I guess soon we will see segregation laws proposed again in some states..
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Fifty three percent. Compare that to what would have happened ten years ago and this is good news. Ten years from now, they will no longer have a majority.

    This is only bad news if you believe that it is necessary for gay marriage to be legalized now. No matter how much I would like certain policies to become law, I believe that it is best for social institutions to change slowly, at a pace that the public can easily tolerate. Rapid, unpopular changes lead to public backlash and regression.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    This is what happens when you have mob rule... but at least things are improving. The majority is no longer an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This is what happens when you have mob rule...
    Which is a pretty good translation of the root words that make up the word "democracy." It seems the only real difference between "mob rule" and "the will of the people" is whether or not we agree with the majority.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Whatever your position in the matter if you "don't get it" one can only conclude that you are a new arrival on this planet. Seriously.

    Myself, I've said before that demanding that an ancient institution be changed instantly is a sure way to incite rigid opposition and long term resentment.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Whatever your position in the matter if you "don't get it" one can only conclude that you are a new arrival on this planet. Seriously.

    Myself, I've said before that demanding that an ancient institution be changed instantly is a sure way to incite rigid opposition and long term resentment.
    That is the problem. "An ancient institution" needs not to be changed at all. Churches and preachers can deny marrying gay people all they want, as it is a religious thing. If the gays want to get married in a church.. start your own church or find a preacher/church that is open to such things!

    Now the legal aspect of marriage is not a religious thing. This has to do with taxes, inheritance and so on and that is all civilian law... heck even marriage is that these days too.. you need a licence for example and can skip the whole church thing if you want.

    But the debate in the US (like it was in Europe) has been hijacked by especially the radical religious right and together with the radical gay movement, it has turned into something that it, it is in reality not.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    If the issue of allowing same sex marriage would have been presented to Maine voters in the form of a referendum question on a ballot before it was forced on Mainers from the legislature I believe the outcome would have been different.

    I don't oppose gay marriage. What I was opposed to was legislation coming from lawmakers telling us once again that they are hell-bent on passing laws in Maine without voters being included in the decision making process.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is the problem. "An ancient institution" needs not to be changed at all. Churches and preachers can deny marrying gay people all they want, as it is a religious thing. ... Now the legal aspect of marriage is not a religious thing.
    It is still a societal thing and a traditional thing. Society and tradition, like morality, are largely independent of religion and the ancient institution of marriage in Western society predates the introduction of Christianity to the Roman Empire. To my knowledge, marriage between members of the same sex has never been allowed in the West before the last decade of last century, regardless of the religion of the participants.

    And the issue of whether homosexual unions should be recognized, encouraged, and granted legal benefits is far from incontrovertible even in the absence of religious arguments. Such a policy shift would have far-reaching civil and economic implications regardless of whether or not the various churches were involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I don't oppose gay marriage. What I was opposed to was legislation coming from lawmakers telling us once again that they are hell-bent on passing laws in Maine without voters being included in the decision making process.
    I'm confused. Is the Maine legislature elected by the voters or not? If the law is to be determined by referendum, why go to the expense and the hassle of having an elected legislature at all?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    If the issue of allowing same sex marriage would have been presented to Maine voters in the form of a referendum question on a ballot before it was forced on Mainers from the legislature I believe the outcome would have been different.

    I don't oppose gay marriage. What I was opposed to was legislation coming from lawmakers telling us once again that they are hell-bent on passing laws in Maine without voters being included in the decision making process.
    So now we have legislative activism?

    Legislators are elected to create legislation, that's what they do. The voters were included in the decision making process by electing the legislators.
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