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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

disneydude said:
I'm not trying to dodge the question....maybe I didn't understand exactly what you were saying. I'll try again.

I think there are gay people who pretend to be straight.
I believe that there are straight people that for whatever reason engaging in gay sex and discover later that they weren't really gay.

Unlike Navy....I cannot change my sexual orientation. I don't believe that most people can.

If that still doesn't answer your question...hit me back and I'll try again.
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So you admit that some people can change.........:confused:

I personally don't know if they can change or not.........I just know that people have claimed to change and I am not going to call them a liar.........
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Which is a pretty good translation of the root words that make up the word "democracy." It seems the only real difference between "mob rule" and "the will of the people" is whether or not we agree with the majority.
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You do make a ton of sense,Rat..:mrgreen:
 
CriticalThought said:
Just out of curiosity can you provide any data of gay people outside of religious coercion who have claimed to change their sexual orientation? No offense, but I have never seen any evidence outside of religious sources (NARTH, Focus on the Family, etc.) that gays can easily change their sexual orientation. Surely, you can provide one non religious source that makes that claim. If not, then perhaps the question should be whether sexual orientation is the issue or if religiosity is the issue.

Or perhaps you can make the claim that the good ol' Father who writes for NARTH often makes and say that gays can only change their sexual orientation with the help of God.
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Elton. John.
 
Navy Pride said:
I personally don't know if they can change or not.........I just know that people have claimed to change and I am not going to call them a liar.........
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Would you be comfortable calling them confused? Pressured maybe? Threatened and harassed in some cases?

About 50% of the homeless in Salt Lake City are homosexual youths who have been kicked out of their homes. By chance, should we be in hurry to believe that they have been miraculously cured of their homosexuality if they return home from the cold streets?

I honestly don't know whether people can change their sexual orientation or not, I just think it is dangerous to assume people can because a few claim they have.
 
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Navy Pride said:
So you admit that some people can change.........:confused:

I personally don't know if they can change or not.........I just know that people have claimed to change and I am not going to call them a liar.........
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No I don't believe anyone can change their sexual orientation. You seem to believe that you could.
So Navy.....are you actually saying that you could very easily change your sexual orientation and be attracted to men if you wanted to?
 
Scorpion89 said:
First off a little ****ing respect alright it's Sent. Snowe and Sent. Collins
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Those socialist scumbags (read up on what the exact meaning of that word is, okay?) haven't earned respect from me.

So **** off.

Scorpion89 said:
second you don't **** about the State of Maine alright so I suggest you stop now before you make a more fool out of yourself.
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I know the people of Maine were so ignorant they sent SB Snow and Collins to infect Washington.

I know if Maine was a great place to live there'd be more than 1.2 million people there.

That, and you people catch lobsters.

None of which is relevant to the fact that they choose to restrict the freedom of their neighbors.

Why do you think they did that?
 
Jerry said:
Main has the right remove any right from itself it wishes.
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Some evidence to refute this:

Maine cannot legislate religion.
Maine cannot establish prior restraint on speech.
Maine cannot forbid the people from peaceably assembling.
Maine cannot infringe on the right of the people to bear arms.
Maine cannot violate the sanctity of a man's person, paper, or property without a search warrant.
Maine cannot quarter troops in a private citizen's home.
Maine cannot deny her residents equal protection under the law.
 
Jerry said:
I'm not answering for Navy, just my :twocents: here:

My sister decided she was born gay and went to all the demonstrations, helped in a few local election campaigns, the paraids etc.

One day she decided she wasn't born gay anymore, dumped her "wife" (they weren't legally married) and became a born-again.

Now I understand that folks will say "well she was never actually born-gay then", and I don't necessarily disagree.

However, since there is a good number of gays who claim to be born-that-way and then change their ways, it generates statistical data anti-gm folks can point to and validly claim "gays do change".

My point is you need to worry about those on your side who are lying about who they are far more than you need to worry about people like Navy.
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None of this has any relevance to the issue of where the hell do people get off telling other people they can't marry the consenting adult that agrees to marry them.

People should mind their own business. The time wasted over the debate on same-sex marriage, the diversion away from matters that will actually affect our lives, has been and will be far more damaging to the nation than if people simply minded their own damn business and left others alone.

There are no, and I mean none, zero, zilch, nada, squat, legitimate reasons to oppose gay marriage.

I don't like gays. That's my problem. I don't care who the hell they marry. It's not my business.
 
Don't you people see??? This is just what those dastardly gays want! They don't want marriage or equal rights, they just want attention! They're attention whores! Why else would they have parades and Gay/Lesbian organizations?! To get more attention! Just like the black and hispanics!


They've duped the Nation! :O OHNOES!!!!!


;)
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I wasn't a participant in that poll.

You think popularity drives objectivity?
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You ain't her constituent, so you don't get a vote.
You get Boxer and Feinstein :twisted:


She does a good job for Maine.
 
disneydude said:
No I don't believe anyone can change their sexual orientation. You seem to believe that you could.
So Navy.....are you actually saying that you could very easily change your sexual orientation and be attracted to men if you wanted to?
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Here is what you said DD....I don't believe that most people can... You said most people can't then one has to surmise some can.....your words not mine....................
 
Navy Pride said:
Here is what you said DD....I don't believe that most people can... You said most people can't then one has to surmise some can.....your words not mine....................
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Yes Navy....Most people cannot. There are some people who are truly bisexual who can be attracted to either.

Now....how bout you.

You say that people can change their orientation. Could you easily change and be attracted to men?
 
By your continuous refusal to answer the question that is based on your own post we can only assume one of two things:

1. Either you lied when you wrote that and don't actually believe it.
2. You are easily attracted to men and could change your orientation tomorrow if you wanted to.

Which is it Navy?
 
CriticalThought said:
Would you be comfortable calling them confused? Pressured maybe? Threatened and harassed in some cases?

About 50% of the homeless in Salt Lake City are homosexual youths who have been kicked out of their homes. By chance, should we be in hurry to believe that they have been miraculously cured of their homosexuality if they return home from the cold streets?

I honestly don't know whether people can change their sexual orientation or not, I just think it is dangerous to assume people can because a few claim they have.
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No those are your words not mine............I just know that some have said they changed.........Men have married women and raise a family......I told you about the Colonel here in the Washington national Guard who after over 30 years married, with grown children, divorced her husband and took up with a Lesbian..........You can call her a liar, confused, whatever...I won't...............
 
disneydude said:
Yes Navy....Most people cannot. There are some people who are truly bisexual who can be attracted to either.

Now....how bout you.

You say that people can change their orientation. Could you easily change and be attracted to men?
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I knew you would go to the BI thing...same out cop out DD......Shame on you..........
 
Why is the whole, "homosexuals can change" even a debate anymore? Even NARTH, the only psychological institution which pushes reparative therapy, has conceded that they can only change homosexual behavior, not homosexual attractions. Most of what reparative therapy does is target childhood trauma, and frankly it would not surprise me if some straight people were so traumatized by sexual abuse in their youth that they grew up thinking they were gay. In fact, I can't think of a single example of an "Ex gay" who didn't cite sexual abuse in their childhood.
 
Navy Pride said:
No those are your words not mine............I just know that some have said they changed.........Men have married women and raise a family......I told you about the Colonel here in the Washington national Guard who after over 30 years married, with grown children, divorced her husband and took up with a Lesbian..........You can call her a liar, confused, whatever...I won't...............
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Did it ever occur to you Navy that perhaps she was gay her entire life....married and raised a family because that's what she was expected to do...and later realized that she didn't want to continue to lead the rest of her life as a lie?

Do you honestly believe that she just woke up one day and said...I think I will be a lesbian from this day forward?

Could you wake up tomorrow and decide that you wanted to live with a man?
 
disneydude said:
By your continuous refusal to answer the question that is based on your own post we can only assume one of two things:

1. Either you lied when you wrote that and don't actually believe it.
2. You are easily attracted to men and could change your orientation tomorrow if you wanted to.

Which is it Navy?
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DD you are full of it.......:rofl
 
Navy Pride said:
I knew you would go to the BI thing...same out cop out DD......Shame on you..........
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You don't think that bisexuality exists?
From your posts which seem to imply that you could go either way if you wanted to.....I would expect a different answer from you Navy.
 
disneydude said:
Did it ever occur to you Navy that perhaps she was gay her entire life....married and raised a family because that's what she was expected to do...and later realized that she didn't want to continue to lead the rest of her life as a lie?

Do you honestly believe that she just woke up one day and said...I think I will be a lesbian from this day forward?

Could you wake up tomorrow and decide that you wanted to live with a man?
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Yeah she was gay for 30 years while she was happily married and raised 3 sons................


No I could not do that but that does not mean someone else couldn't.........
 
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