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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

disneydude said:
People run the gamut.

Are some people confused....think they are gay and later realize that they aren't. Absolutely

Are some people confused....try to be straight and find out they can't. Absolutely.

Do some gay people mask their sexual orientation and pretend to be straight. Absolutely.


The bottom line - unlike ethnicity...people can mask their sexual orientation.
But when people like Navy claim that people can actually change their sexual orientation then they need to man up and answer the question.

If its possible to change your sexual orientation does that mean that you personally could easily decide to become sexually attracted to men?

Navy has been dodging the question...and his silence on the issue is very telling.
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Masked orientation or changed actual-orientation: those are both functionally identical for all practical purposes relating to the average voter coming to an opinion on an issue.

Regardless of why, gays change their preference. IMO it doesn't matter why, it happens often enough to be relevant and that's all that matters.

If Navy thinks he has some politically sterile, well sourced, well thought out and credibly vetted thesis on psycho-sexual disorders then I leave it to him to present it.
 
aps said:
I'm interested in your thoughts on how one changes their sexual preference at the drop of a hat. Enlighten me.
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If your interested n that start a thread or poll on the subject......This thread is about Maine voters rejecting gay marriage...........
 
Again getting back on topic............I take my hat off to the people of Maine and the people of the other 31 states who have rejected gay marriage...........This is a message to Liberals and a few gay activists that Gay Marriage has been rejected by the American People..........
 
Jerry said:
Masked orientation or changed actual-orientation: those are both functionally identical for all practical purposes relating to the average voter coming to an opinion on an issue.

Regardless of why, gays change their preference. IMO it doesn't matter why, it happens often enough to be relevant and that's all that matters.

If Navy thinks he has some politically sterile, well sourced, well thought out and credibly vetted thesis on psycho-sexual disorders then I leave it to him to present it.
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Jerry we have been over this a dozen times... DD knows my position on the issue he is just trying to hijack the thread...........
 
Elena said:
Precisely the point!

Then why do we have to be subjected to "Gay Pride" marches, gay awareness at schools or quotas for gay people at work?

If gays have a right to rub their gayness into our faces, then we have an equal right to oppose it.
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You obviously don't understand the purpose of Gay Pride parades. :roll:

And they aren't rubbing their sexual orientation in anyone's face anymore than heterosexuals do.
 
Navy Pride said:
Again getting back on topic............I take my hat off to the people of Maine and the people of the other 31 states who have rejected gay marriage...........This is a message to Liberals and a few gay activists that Gay Marriage has been rejected by the American People..........
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:rofl If you really think that this issue is going to go away you are kidding yourself. It will eventually be legalized.
 
disneydude said:
If you are gay....you are gay. It doesn't matter if you pretend to be straight or not.
You can buy purple contact lens to "change" the color of your eyes.....doesn't mean that in reality your eyes are really purple.
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You can't REALLY be gay..."Gay" is a kink. Its sole purpose (Not counting 'Gay' LOVE because LOVING someone knows know gender) is for sexual arousal. Anyone else see some merit here? It's the same thing as if we were making this argument against people who did different things to get their rocks off. It makes no damn sense to me at all.
 
EpicDude86 said:
You can't REALLY be gay..."Gay" is a kink. Its sole purpose (Not counting 'Gay' LOVE because LOVING someone knows know gender) is for sexual arousal. Anyone else see some merit here? It's the same thing as if we were making this argument against people who did different things to get their rocks off. It makes no damn sense to me at all.
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I don't really see how it could be considered a kink (or fetish, which I think is what you are actually referring to here). Is heterosexuality a kink as well?
 
disneydude said:
If you are gay....you are gay. It doesn't matter if you pretend to be straight or not.
You can buy purple contact lens to "change" the color of your eyes.....doesn't mean that in reality your eyes are really purple.
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You just totally ducked my question.

Why the absolute only applies to people who think they are gay but not the other way around?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I don't really see how it could be considered a kink (or fetish, which I think is what you are actually referring to here). Is heterosexuality a kink as well?
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Heterosexuality for the purpose of continuation of the species is well...continuation of the species, everything else is a kink/fetish. (yeah I kinda use the words interchangeably, sorry, I know they don't mean the same thing)

Kink n. 6. Peculiarity or deviation in sexual behavior or taste.

Fetish n. 3. an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
 
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EpicDude86 said:
Heterosexuality for the purpose of continuation of the species is well...continuation of the species, everything else is a kink/fetish. (yeah I kinda use the words interchangeably, sorry, I know they don't mean the same thing)
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If it were solely for the continuation of the species then sex would be very mechanical and people wouldn't exactly need to be attracted to one another. Relationships would be, in essence, pointless. Personally I think the whole idea of sexual orientation is bogus to begin with. I think if we lived in a society where sexual orientation wasn't an issue then people would find companions based on far more important criteria and their gender wouldn't really be that much of an issue.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Heterosexuality for the purpose of continuation of the species is well...continuation of the species, everything else is a kink/fetish. (yeah I kinda use the words interchangeably, sorry, I know they don't mean the same thing)

Kink n. 6. Peculiarity or deviation in sexual behavior or taste.

Fetish n. 3. an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
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So that would mean sex with out the intention for pro creation and for just just pure pleasure is......?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
If it were solely for the continuation of the species then sex would be very mechanical and people wouldn't exactly need to be attracted to one another. Relationships would be, in essence, pointless. Personally I think the whole idea of sexual orientation is bogus to begin with. I think if we lived in a society where sexual orientation wasn't an issue then people would find companions based on far more important criteria and their gender wouldn't really be that much of an issue.
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1. We're the only species on this planet that (to my knowledge) forces monogamy (though we're the only species I know of with a 'moral' code too, I guess.)

2. A-fething-gree'd sir.


P.S. I love you, No homo.
 
winston53660 said:
So that would mean sex with out the intention for pro creation and for just just pure pleasure is......?
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What all non-overweight, World of Warcraft-playing, basement dwelling, 30-year old virgins do.

In other words, it rocks if you can get any. But if you can't then I guess lying and saying "I don't want sex because I've taken a vow of abstinence with Gawd" helps relieve your disappointment.

Sorry I just tell it like it is. lol
 
Jerry said:
My point is you need to worry about those on your side who are lying about who they are far more than you need to worry about people like Navy.
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Just out of curiosity can you provide any data of gay people outside of religious coercion who have claimed to change their sexual orientation? No offense, but I have never seen any evidence outside of religious sources (NARTH, Focus on the Family, etc.) that gays can easily change their sexual orientation. Surely, you can provide one non religious source that makes that claim. If not, then perhaps the question should be whether sexual orientation is the issue or if religiosity is the issue.

Or perhaps you can make the claim that the good ol' Father who writes for NARTH often makes and say that gays can only change their sexual orientation with the help of God.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Just out of curiosity can you provide any data of gay people outside of religious coercion who have claimed to change their sexual orientation?
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It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.

I can't say my contributions to this conversation are based on any study, so I'm not prepared to offer any data in any regard. I mean I could do what everyone else does and Google something real quick and struggle to structure an argument around whatever crappy link I come up with, pretending my argument was based on said random link all along, but I'm not in the mood.

Or were you asking me to link to my sister's face-book?

CriticalThought said:
No offense, but I have never seen any evidence outside of religious sources (NARTH, Focus on the Family, etc.) that gays can easily change their sexual orientation. Surely, you can provide one non religious source that makes that claim. If not, then perhaps the question should be whether sexual orientation is the issue or if religiosity is the issue.

Or perhaps you can make the claim that the good ol' Father who writes for NARTH often makes and say that gays can only change their sexual orientation with the help of God.
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No offense taken. It was Navy's claim, so let him provide your data.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Jerry we have been over this a dozen times... DD knows my position on the issue he is just trying to hijack the thread...........
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I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm just not allowing you to raise an issue and then run away from it.

Go back and review the thread Navy.....YOU are the one that raised the issue...and I can't understand WHY you can't answer the question.

Are you saying that you could just as easily be attracted to men if you decided to change your sexual orientation?
Everytime you run away from the question Navy.....everyone here can see that you are dodging....
 
Jerry said:
It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.
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I know people who think they have.

I can't say my contributions to this conversation are based on any study, so I'm not prepared to offer any data in any regard. I mean I could do what everyone else does and Google something real quick and struggle to structure an argument around whatever crappy link I come up with, pretending my argument was based on said random link all along, but I'm not in the mood.
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If you can find a relevant, valid study by that means, then I would love to see it.

Or were you asking me to link to my sister's face-book?
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Does she feel she managed to change her sexual orientation without religious pressure from her family or church?
 
texmaster said:
You just totally ducked my question.

Why the absolute only applies to people who think they are gay but not the other way around?
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I'm not trying to dodge the question....maybe I didn't understand exactly what you were saying. I'll try again.

I think there are gay people who pretend to be straight.
I believe that there are straight people that for whatever reason engaging in gay sex and discover later that they weren't really gay.

Unlike Navy....I cannot change my sexual orientation. I don't believe that most people can.

If that still doesn't answer your question...hit me back and I'll try again.
 
Jerry said:
It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.
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I know people that have tried that. It did not work though.
 
winston53660 said:
I know people that have tried that. It did not work though.
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That they tried is itself profound, as it shows they're uncomfortable with their orientation to some degree. How can we now count them among those who actually are gay and not those who claim to be gay but haven't yet discoverd they're not? How do we tell the 2 groups apart?
 
CriticalThought said:
Does she feel she managed to change her sexual orientation without religious pressure from her family or church?
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If that's a conditional to the answer you give, then please understand that I'm not offering to give you the link as that would violate her privacy and the forum rules.

I was not offering you a link, I was asking for clarity on your post.
 
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